In The Not Too Distant Future…

[Edward_H]

OK, and? Many people today hyphenate their last names when they marry, how do you know whether or not their married, unless you presume to ask?

Don’t be silly or difficult…I said they’re holding hands, calling each other sweetheart.

Behavioral studies have confirmed that GAYDAR is like 80% accurate.

 

[cwltexas]

Don’t be silly or difficult…I said they’re holding hands, calling each other sweetheart.

Behavioral studies have confirmed that GAYDAR is like 80% accurate.

If we ever encounter each other in a real world, public setting and you practice the behaviors you espouse in some of your posts on this forum, please note that we will find each other in civil courts of law, asking a judge and or jury to decide monetary damage outcome. I as one individual am not accustomed to having service people, business owners delving into my personal life and involving themselves in any way, shape or form, it is none of their business.

 

[Edward_H]

But apart from cwltexas’s silly attempts to find arguable ground…what’s a Catholic to do when he or she is presented with this sort of situation?

A well formed Catholic will perform penance for said couple. They will act with the utmost of charity, sincerity and generosity. But after dealing with the situation…they will perform penances for the likely sins of this couple or for others. They will fast. They will self deny. They will pray. They will make sacrifices for them, out of love of God and such couples. And they will tell no one that they are doing it, except perhaps their spiritual director. It will be mostly between the sacrificing, penancing Catholic and Our Lord.

We handle it like that when it’s not our authority to help out his couple in any other way, by law.

 

[Edward_H]

If we ever encounter each other in a real world, public setting and you practice the behaviors you espouse in some of your posts on this forum, please note that we will find each other in civil courts of law, asking a judge and or jury to decide monetary damage outcome. I as one individual am not accustomed to having service people, business owners delving into my personal life and involving themselves in any way, shape or form, it is none of their business.

I can see by our different approaches,…you run to court…I thought Catholics would try to love, instead.

Are you seeking formation still, as a “Catholic”? I think you could learn some other techniques, more in line with the Catholic Church. A less angry and litigious way, perhaps.

 

[cwltexas]

I can see by our different approaches,…you run to court…I thought Catholics would try to love, instead.

Are you seeking formation still, as a “Catholic”? I think you could learn some other techniques, more in line with the Catholic Church. A less angry and litigious way, perhaps.

Certainly I need to learn, but I fully understand that I am a work in progress and will never reach perfection, in this life and that is OK. Being human makes me fallible, accepting that I am fallible aids in my quest of humility, I think?

Being a flawed human being, I don’t tend to react well when perfect strangers attempt to inject themselves into my personal life, most especially when they are holding their hands out, expecting to take my money for a product or service they provide. If I choose to pay for moral advice, I think the proper venue would be making donations to my Church that pay my Confessor(s) living expenses, but maybe that is just me?

 

[Regular_Atheist]

Seems a little far-fetched, though I guess it could happen. ‘Could’ is the key word here, though. Many things could happen.

 

[Edward_H]

Certainly I need to learn, but I fully understand that I am a work in progress and will never reach perfection, in this life and that is OK. Being human makes me fallible, accepting that I am fallible aids in my quest of humility, I think?

Being a flawed human being, I don’t tend to react well when perfect strangers attempt to inject themselves into my personal life, most especially when they are holding their hands out, expecting to take my money for a product or service they provide. If I choose to pay for moral advice, I think the proper venue would be making donations to my Church that pay my Confessor(s) living expenses, but maybe that is just me?

The Catholic understanding of sin is different from yours…sin has both personal and social dimensions. It’s NOT your “personal life” really. What you do has eternal effects on others, even if done behind closed doors.

We need to regain a more integrated sense of sin. Satan loves it when we compartmentalize the Body of Christ.

 

[cwltexas]

The Catholic understanding of sin is different from yours…sin has both personal and social dimensions. It’s NOT your “personal life” really. What you do has eternal effects on others, even if done behind closed doors.

We need to regain a more integrated sense of sin. Satan loves it when we compartmentalize the Body of Christ.

This is SPECIFICALLY the problem I have with YOU and a few others on this website, with ALL RESPECT and I mean this. Perhaps you don’t mean to, do not intend to, but you come across as if you consider yourselves EQUAL TO THE POPE in his ability to speak for the Catholic faith and my friend, YOU ARE NOT, again with all respect. You are no more qualified, able or empowered to speak for THE WHOLE CATHOLIC anything than I am or anyone else who is not THE POPE or specifically empowered to do so, IN THE VATICAN.

When you make such blanket and wide encompassing statements, you lose credibility with people like me and my friend, people like me DO NEED GUIDANCE. Please stop to consider that.

 

[Edward_H]

This is SPECIFICALLY the problem I have with YOU and a few others on this website, with ALL RESPECT and I mean this. Perhaps you don’t mean to, do not intend to, but you come across as if you consider yourselves EQUAL TO THE POPE in his ability to speak for the Catholic faith and my friend, YOU ARE NOT, again with all respect. You are no more qualified, able or empowered to speak for THE WHOLE CATHOLIC anything than I am or anyone else who is not THE POPE or specifically empowered to do so, IN THE VATICAN.

When you make such blanket and wide encompassing statements, you lose credibility with people like me and my friend, people like me DO NEED GUIDANCE. Please stop to consider that.

Sorry…it’s by your own emphasis on ‘personal’ that belies your defect in understanding.

Red text or no red text.

 

[cwltexas]

Sorry…it’s by your own emphasis on ‘personal’ that belies your defect in understanding.

Red text or no red text.

Whether I have a defect in understanding or not, has nothing to do with whether or not your personal choice in how you present yourself is helpful or not.

I honestly don’t want to argue with you or cause you any discomfort, it is my understanding that we can place users on ignore, if so, I am going to do that with you and I respectfully ask you to do that with me. We seem to have a personality conflict and interaction cannot be positive for either one of us or this site.

I wish you the best, happiness and good fortune.

Good Bye

 

[LeafByNiggle]

Don’t be silly or difficult…I said they’re holding hands, calling each other sweetheart.

Behavioral studies have confirmed that GAYDAR is like 80% accurate.

There is a danger turning your suspicions about someone into certainties, particularly when the cost of deciding wrongly is inflicting serious injustice on those that are denied services. Practically speaking, the scenario you described almost never happens. That is, when a gay couple comes to a motel they don’t hold hands and call each other sweetheart. You as the hotel clerk would have to conclude their status based on much flimsier evidence. You can’t just just assume that two people of the same sex sharing a room are gay. It is quite common for convention attendees, for example, to double up to save money.

The services mentioned do not necessarily amount to proximate material cooperation with evil, but are rather only remote cooperation with evil, which is permitted given a proportionate good that is the main goal. In this case the good is proving travelers in need with a place to sleep. The fact that they might engage in illicit sex in that same room is an unavoidable consequence of granting the good that is the main purpose of the transaction.

 

[Julianna]

Don’t be silly or difficult…I said they’re holding hands, calling each other sweetheart.

Behavioral studies have confirmed that GAYDAR is like 80% accurate.

unbelievable… are you sure it’s GAYDAR and not a crystal ball you are reading into?

hetero couples having an affair don’t check in as “couples”…he or she gets a room, tells the paramour what the number is and the hotel clerk is none the wiser…

I remember back during prom time…beach houses and hotels were checked into by hetero high school kids and the hotel clerk didn’t bat an eye…

methinks there is a bit of paranoia going on…

 

[Julianna]

If we ever encounter each other in a real world, public setting and you practice the behaviors you espouse in some of your posts on this forum, please note that we will find each other in civil courts of law, asking a judge and or jury to decide monetary damage outcome. I as one individual am not accustomed to having service people, business owners delving into my personal life and involving themselves in any way, shape or form, it is none of their business.

:tiphat::clapping::clapping::tiphat:

 

[Julianna]

The Catholic understanding of sin is different from yours…sin has both personal and social dimensions. It’s NOT your “personal life” really. What you do has eternal effects on others, even if done behind closed doors.

We need to regain a more integrated sense of sin. ** Satan loves it** when we compartmentalize the Body of Christ.

I guess you are a better person than I, because I don’t give evil any credence and don’t dwell on what it may think…

 

[Fairwinds]

If I managed or owned a hotel, that last thing I want is some **clerk **to decide – based on his personal beliefs – who to rent a room to. that’s just insane. its going to expose me or my business to bad PR or the government coming down on me. no clerk who works for me is going to ask of two people are gay or married. that’s positively nuts.

if the clerk can’t, in good conscience, rent a room to Suspected Gays or Possible Unmarrieds, he shouldn’t be working as a hotel clerk, or in any service-related business for that matter.

F/

 

[MidnightSun12]

The Catholic understanding of sin is different from yours…sin has both personal and social dimensions. It’s NOT your “personal life” really. What you do has eternal effects on others, even if done behind closed doors.

We need to regain a more integrated sense of sin. Satan loves it when we compartmentalize the Body of Christ.

It’s like the rich man who asked Christ what He needed to do to obtain eternal life… Our Lord’s answer was to sell everything and give all he had to God.

As christians, we need to stop asking God what the bare minimum is we need do to get into heaven because such thinking leads to hell. The purpose of this life is to give everything we have to further the Kingdom of God. If we can even do something small to help prevent our neighbours from falling into grave sin (even if there is a 99% chance that they will still sin in spite of our efforts), we have a duty to do it.

 

[Fairwinds]

…It’s NOT your “personal life” really…

you should never work in a place where renting a room will cause you this grief. if you took a job and salary under the false pretenses that you’d do your job the way every other clerk would, I’d fire you as fast as you’d refuse service to gays. probably faster.

F/

 

[Julianna]

If I managed or owned a hotel, that last thing I want is some **clerk **to decide – based on his personal beliefs – who to rent a room to. that’s just insane. its going to expose me or my business to bad PR or the government coming down on me. no clerk who works for me is going to ask of two people are gay or married. that’s positively nuts.

if the clerk can’t, in good conscience, rent a room to Suspected Gays or Possible Unmarrieds, he shouldn’t be working as a hotel clerk, or in any service-related business for that matter.

F/

 

[cwltexas]

I have to wonder if people that hold these very strong philosophies and ideologies, fully explain them to future employers when they are in the interview process, about what their “faith” will and will not allow them to do? If they do, how many times they are not hired and how do they pay their bills?

 

[TimeEntrance]

If I managed or owned a hotel, that last thing I want is some **clerk **to decide – based on his personal beliefs – who to rent a room to. that’s just insane. its going to expose me or my business to bad PR or the government coming down on me. no clerk who works for me is going to ask of two people are gay or married. that’s positively nuts.

if the clerk can’t, in good conscience, rent a room to Suspected Gays or Possible Unmarrieds, he shouldn’t be working as a hotel clerk, or in any service-related business for that matter.

F/

I see you are located in Nevada. I just want to say in jest that no sins occur in Las Vegas.

A short trailer shot in Las Vegas.

youtube.com/watch?v=MfNa1-KAOcU

Or if you don’t prefer that trailer here is another one.

youtube.com/watch?v=vhFVZsk3XEs