In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins

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You are correct that most mutations are rejected. You are incorrect in your understanding of Natural Selection.
We now know that NS is a conservative process and not a creative one.

Two major problems have come to light recently:
  1. The iterations DNA goes through to prevent any mutation at all.
  2. Natural Selection is a conservative process not a creative one.
Take these two away and what is left?
 
You are correct that most mutations are rejected. You are incorrect in your understanding of Natural Selection.
It is vital to understand that Natural Selection relies heavily on the concept of heredity. There is a limit in which to generate diversity, which generally amounts to changes within species.
 
If it is not repeatable and observable, how do you explain my pet poodle?
This is an example of select breeding conducted by humans. It’s highly suspect to use it as an example of evolution observation.
 
No it’s not the watch maker hypothesis, it’s the simple undeniable truth about the nature of the Creator: if God is truly "that than which nothing greater can be conceived, then this necessarily follows. A God who does not need to tinker in the process because He ordered it to unfold according to His will perfectly from the start is necessarily greater than a God who does need to tinker. What’s evil about that?
Blacksword, the biggest problem is that while you accept the fact that there must exist God, even with the inexplicable evolutionary “process”, that is NOT what is being taught. Your kids and generations thereafter will junk the God idea altogether. And fealty to God is what made us a great nation with moral people. Just watch Glee for one episode, and tell me whether today’s brainwashed kids are even giving lip service to the Bible and God’s dictates. Our lack of courage will turn America into a nightmare within the next decade or two. We are well on our way, all b/c our quest for tolerance has led us to be silent about evil. :ouch: Rob
 
This is an example of select breeding conducted by humans. It’s highly suspect to use it as an example of evolution observation.
Correct, there is tremendous elasticity with the genetic codes of organisms, but dogs remain dogs, as we can observe. :cool: Rob
 
You can debate the “scientific” nuances of evolution but do not neglect how important the people of the bible are to the creation account. After all this is a theological issue. Adam, Eve, Abel, Noah are NOT referenced in a mythical way in the NT. In fact they are spoken of next to other “more recent” real people including Jesus. Abel’s blood is compared to the real blood of Jesus. Did Abel die in some fake land? Some suscribing to theistic evolution will often say they don’t deny Adam, Eve etc., but strangely they deny their origins, their environment, their family, reducing them to having evolved through a possible simian chain.
I have a complete article I would ike you to read. I think you will agree with it. I would appreciate it if you read it. My emai address is gcharles3448@yahoo.com–Speciation isn’t even a theory-it’s only a postulate.
 
When I speak of evolution I’m addressing speciation evolution. I certainly recognize adaptive evolution remains within the same species. It’s not al natural and some is breeding. I have a pure white dog called a Great Pyrennes. Originally it wasn’t pure white. Through breeding it became pure white (sometimes a little tan) so that it would be able to sleep with the sheep and not be recognized by the wolves. It’s like Pope John Paul II said therre are many types of evolution. The Leonberger dog was bred. They used Newfoundand, Great Pyrennes, and St. Bernard.
 
I reject science when it is contradictorary to God’s word. If you’re saying that you believe that lower forms of life evolve into higher forms of life that’s a problem. If you believe that give me the empirical evidence. When you find there isn’t any then that evoution isn’t even a theory it is only based on a postulate. The wisdom of man is foolishness to God.
How do you explain away 100 years of biological research by millions of people?
 
This report is scary. That’s really all I have to say, it’s just horrifying. It’s tough to even believe it’s accurate. What is going on with science education in the U.S.? Who is teaching our children, Kent Hovind?

It’s common that I will run into someone who is nominally well-educated, but doesn’t even have the most basic grasp as to what common ancestry truly means.

These people will say, for example, “I don’t believe I came from a monkey!” This is not… what… common… ancestry… means… :banghead: :banghead::banghead:
 
This report is scary. That’s really all I have to say, it’s just horrifying. It’s tough to even believe it’s accurate. What is going on with science education in the U.S.? Who is teaching our children, Kent Hovind?

It’s common that I will run into someone who is nominally well-educated, but doesn’t even have the most basic grasp as to what common ancestry truly means.

These people will say, for example, “I don’t believe I came from a monkey!” This is not… what… common… ancestry… means… :banghead: :banghead::banghead:
Did you read the survey questions themselves?
 
Did you read the survey questions themselves?
Yes. Was there something I missed?

I saw that is said among those who attend “Church” weekly, 67% believed that God created humans within the past 10,000 years. That’s an absurdly high number.
 
This report is scary. That’s really all I have to say, it’s just horrifying. It’s tough to even believe it’s accurate. What is going on with science education in the U.S.? Who is teaching our children, Kent Hovind?

It’s common that I will run into someone who is nominally well-educated, but doesn’t even have the most basic grasp as to what common ancestry truly means.

These people will say, for example, “I don’t believe I came from a monkey!” This is not… what… common… ancestry… means… :banghead: :banghead::banghead:
If you had read the entire thread, you would have found out what people who disagree with you have said about the matter. Most of us understand exactly what common ancestry means, that monkeys and humans developed from the same creature.

The problem we have is that there is no evidence of this species differentiation happening, nor is there any evidence that it *could *happen.

I would suggest that possibly some of the people who say that to you are just kidding around.
 
The problem we have is that there is no evidence of this species differentiation happening, nor is there any evidence that it *could *happen.

I would suggest that possibly some of the people who say that to you are just kidding around.
Exactly.
I have sufficient information to doubt every statement except the one concerning God creating man within the past 10,000 years.

Do I believe it correct? No. But it is less in error then everything else provided.

There was no provision for ‘none of the above’
 
This report is scary. That’s really all I have to say, it’s just horrifying. It’s tough to even believe it’s accurate. What is going on with science education in the U.S.? Who is teaching our children, Kent Hovind?
One thing going on is fraud and agenda driven science. Science is done by imperfect humans so it is not that any evidence of fraud destroys the whole enterprise. Although I would point out that many so called scientific and logical people will apply that standard to religion. But the amount of fraud is enough for me to not accept the mere word of scientists.

There seems to be a strong need for people to believe the science of the day. My not believing it shouldn’t really matter all that much. If that leads the educated folks to call me ignorant then so be it. I’m not bothered by that one bit. I’m more worried about bad ideas in matter of economics and morality since those things impact the living today and our future. Evolution is not very important except if it leads people away from God.
These people will say, for example, “I don’t believe I came from a monkey!” This is not… what… common… ancestry… means…
Maybe not but wouldn’t the common ancestor be more monkeylike? It was certain not more humanlike since humans are so vastly different than the brutes with our rational minds.
 
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