In U.S., 46% Hold Creationist View of Human Origins

[grannymh]

Small comment.

Speciation evolution or macro evolution is not the current problem facing human origin. The current problem denies that there are two, real, sole, founders of humanity.

 

[ringil]

vz if the bible says 930 years then its 930 years. What else do you believe in the bible. If you would read your bible you would find that God appointed man to live 120 years. Scientists just reported that under perfect conditions man should live 120 years.

So you take the Bible literally. What you read is what you get?

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Gcharles,

Interesting point. I had just heard about this little girl getting so many injections - and for the life of me, I can not even begin to imagine why that happened. But, seriously, just how often do you think getting 18 injections on the same day happens?

One of the things about data is that it has to make sense. People die from being run over by cars - but, no one sets up a study to see how many people actually die from such an event (as opposed to being seriously injured!) This 18-injection story is interesting - but, there isn’t a second such story to have anyone believe that this is a commonplace event.

Since you read the article - and any follow up articles on this Dr. Wakefield character - you will see that he did a tremendous disservice to heath care delivery throughout the world. Children were injured and children died by not having a vaccination that could have stopped an other-wise preventalbe disease.- and that is truly a crime.

My intention is to simply hoist a flag of warning - just because something appears in print - even in a respected scientific journal - does not mean it is without error at least in part - and could actually be a fraud. But, don’t think that medicine has all of the bad actors… remember the ‘cold fusion’ fraud? Here is a link: realclearscience.com/2011/12/06/cold_fusion_scam_exposed_again_244371.html

God bless

Concerning the truth concerning autism is a little misleading. As you should know these shots contain mercury. If you give one shot at a time and wait to give another one it ok. It’s causing autism when they give 18 shots at once with a lot of mercury that causes autism. I got directly from a medical person in that field. That all get their kids shots but only one at a time.

 

[gcharles]

Should we err on the side of safety and give one shot at a time? We must try something. This, at least, would lower the amoun t of mercury? Maybe, but just maybe it woulds help.

 

[gcharles]

Small comment.

Speciation evolution or macro evolution is not the current problem facing human origin. The current problem denies that there are two, real, sole, founders of humanity.

When I was young I noticed the bible had all kind of errors compared to what the scientists said. I didn’t believe and I would have burned in hell. If Genesis is so incorrect why would you believe anything? Yes, it is a big problem.

 

[gcharles]

So you take the Bible literally. What you read is what you get?

It amazes me that we say the Bible is the word of God and then people like you say there are errorsa. Why wouldn’t I take it literally. I was in a class a year ago taught by a Catholic priest. Soemone brought up that Jonah was a fairytale. The priest said I believe it prove me wrong.

 

[vz71]

It amazes me that we say the Bible is the word of God and then people like you say there are errorsa.

I find it fascinating that you jump to such extremes.

One does not have to believe the bible is in error to believe you are.

 

[mini_me640]

Concerning the truth concerning autism is a little misleading. As you should know these shots contain mercury. If you give one shot at a time and wait to give another one it ok. It’s causing autism when they give 18 shots at once with a lot of mercury that causes autism. I got directly from a medical person in that field. That all get their kids shots but only one at a time.

Current childhood vaccinations (excluding the flu shot) no longer contain mercury (thimerosal) as a preservative. I’m not saying they don’t have other questionable ingredients, but they no longer have mercury. I, too, only give my kids one shot at a time, but that is so, if they have a bad reaction, we know what caused it and we don’t have to guess which one of the six they shouldn’t have again (I reacted to a shot as a child so I’m just trying to be careful).

 

[mini_me640]

Current childhood vaccinations (excluding the flu shot) no longer contain mercury (thimerosal) as a preservative and have not for several years now. I’m not saying they don’t have other questionable ingredients, but they no longer have mercury. I, too, only give my kids one shot at a time, but that is so, if they have a bad reaction, we know what caused it and we don’t have to guess which one of the six they shouldn’t have again (I reacted to a shot as a child so I’m just trying to be careful).

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Gcharles,

As I see it, life is a series of trade-offs. People select what they want based on the information they are given. In the case of immunizations there are many organisms out there that will ruin either your day, or the days of your children. When you look at the numbers - and the published reports (here is one from the CDC: cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/why.htm ) it is a good idea to avoid these very real problems that impact millions throughout the world - take that risk, rather then avoid the real but statistically insignificant risk of an adverse reaction from the immunization. Those who elect to avoid the immunization essentially allow themselves to be part of a pool that the diseases can grow in… insuring that the orgnism remains.

We chose to drive - knowing that the odds of dying in a motor vehicle accident (MVA) are much greater then dying at home. If we want to have a life outside of our home, we take the necessary precautions (mechanically functioning car, wearing seat belts, not driving impaired, obeying the posted signs, etc.) Now, it is understood that even doing all of these things is no guarantee that you will not die or be injured in a MVA - but, most people do these things because it greatly incrases the odds at arriving at your destination safely.

I am not arguing about mercury or any other element in a vaccination. FDA has determined it is safe for the vast majority - but, there are risks. This is part of the real world - right up there with disease. I find it odd that the parents who are preventing their children for getting vaccinated - were themselves vaccinated (and therefore protected) from the disease that they want their own children to have exposure. Maybe the vaccination makers did too good of a job - just not enough morbidity and mortality around to convince people that avoid problems is so much better then trying to cure them.

It is out there, it is real and it is dangerous - you decide which one you want and then act accordingly.

God bless

Should we err on the side of safety and give one shot at a time? We must try something. This, at least, would lower the amoun t of mercury? Maybe, but just maybe it woulds help.

 

[buffalo]

Current childhood vaccinations (excluding the flu shot) no longer contain mercury (thimerosal) as a preservative. I’m not saying they don’t have other questionable ingredients, but they no longer have mercury. I, too, only give my kids one shot at a time, but that is so, if they have a bad reaction, we know what caused it and we don’t have to guess which one of the six they shouldn’t have again (I reacted to a shot as a child so I’m just trying to be careful).

Gene-swapping vaccines spawn lethal poultry virus

Three vaccines used to prevent respiratory disease in chickens have swapped genes, producing two lethal new strains that have killed tens of thousands of fowl across two states in Australia, scientists reported on Friday.
The creation of the deadly new variant was only possible because the vaccines contained live viruses, even though they were weakened forms, said Joanne Devlin, lead author of the paper published in the journal Science.
Devlin and her team discovered how closely related the two new strains were with viruses in the vaccines after analyzing their genes.
“What we found was the field viruses … were actually a mixture of the genomes from different vaccine viruses,” said Devlin, a lecturer at the University of Melbourne’s School of Veterinary Science. “They actually combined, mixed together.”

Read more: foxnews.com/health/2012/07/13/gene-swapping-vaccines-spawn-lethal-poultry-virus/#ixzz20VlEx7CN

 

[ringil]

It amazes me that we say the Bible is the word of God and then people like you say there are errorsa. Why wouldn’t I take it literally. I was in a class a year ago taught by a Catholic priest. Soemone brought up that Jonah was a fairytale. The priest said I believe it prove me wrong.

“Inspired Word of God”

Biblical literalism is not a Catholic reading of Holy Scripture.

Do you have a Protestant background?

Do you study the Bible with Protestants- if you do- this may not be a good idea.

 

[grannymh]

When I was young I noticed the bible had all kind of errors compared to what the scientists said. I didn’t believe and I would have burned in hell. If Genesis is so incorrect why would you believe anything? Yes, it is a big problem.

A good suggestion is to start with the doctrines of the Catholic Church and then find their beginning in Scripture. Doctrines, by the way, do not include science, except when science intersects with a doctrine. Therefore, regardless of theories about the origin of humanity, there is still the possibility that Adam and Eve did exist which is what Catholicism teaches.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Ringil,

I guess I was just beating around the bush … you hit the nail squarely on the head - at least the way I see it.

This literalism is a real problem… in areas that do not have the requirement for literalism. Now, take John 6 - and Christ is literally telling these Jewish listeners that if they don’t eat His Flesh they have no life in them - and these guys refuse to believe what Christ said and walked out on Him. This same activity takes place with the Protestants who claim that the Real Presence is not true - they refuse to believe and walk out on the truth Christ has given to them - literally!!

God bless

“Inspired Word of God”

Biblical literalism is not a Catholic reading of Holy Scripture.

Do you have a Protestant background?

Do you study the Bible with Protestants- if you do- this may not be a good idea.

 

[Tenofovir]

I understand that this seem obvious to you, but it does not seem in the least obvious to me. Eyes have evolved more than once. The evolutionary processes are well understood. From memory, vertebrates, insects and shellfish like scallops and squid all have different eye lineages. It is perfectly aligned with observed reality to hypothesize that there is a god, or gods, or anything you choose behind evolution. The problem is that the hypothesis cannot be tested in any way.

Evolution itself cannot be tested in any way by running any experiment. It’s a changing hypothesis with vicious wars among the top academics - look at the tiff between Wilson and Dawkins, or Dawkins and Gould. As such we have to come up with concepts such as punctuated equilibrium, a type of epicycle if you wish.

What fossil records and genetic studies show require assumptions and deductions. These themselves cannot be empirically tested either.

Finally, a belief in evolution is not necessary for most scientific and engineering work. It’s only needed for those who study “evolutionary origins”. Evolutionary theory as such also has few applications because most of our empirical research comes from proximate research. If one sees similarity in structure between monkey and man, one need not consider its source, but only the implications of the observed similarity. If we can test a particular drug in a monkey and know the monkey’s physiology is similar to ours, irrespective of how that originated, we can apply monkey findings to humans in some way. If we can study the brain of a chimp and know it’s similar to ours we can extrapolate findings from the one to the other. No need to be a Darwin worshiper.

A purely materialistic atheistic worldview can only lead to moral relativism. It’s the only sane conclusion. Hence virtues such as honour and honesty need not be applied the way traditional marriage between men and women need not be upheld. Hence likely we see so much corruption and lack of replication in scientific work. Someone who is a believer and sees honesty as a virtue with real meaning is less likely to cheat in scientific works or less likely to be swayed by pure prestige or money than someone who shops for his morality on a daily basis.

And before you get upset the way you usually do, none of this is aimed at you.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Tenofovir,

Excellent post - with a practical touch

God bless

Evolution itself cannot be tested in any way by running any experiment. It’s a changing hypothesis with vicious wars among the top academics - look at the tiff between Wilson and Dawkins, or Dawkins and Gould. As such we have to come up with concepts such as punctuated equilibrium, a type of epicycle if you wish.

What fossil records and genetic studies show require assumptions and deductions. These themselves cannot be empirically tested either.

Finally, a belief in evolution is not necessary for most scientific and engineering work. It’s only needed for those who study “evolutionary origins”. Evolutionary theory as such also has few applications because most of our empirical research comes from proximate research. If one sees similarity in structure between monkey and man, one need not consider its source, but only the implications of the observed similarity. If we can test a particular drug in a monkey and know the monkey’s physiology is similar to ours, irrespective of how that originated, we can apply monkey findings to humans in some way. If we can study the brain of a chimp and know it’s similar to ours we can extrapolate findings from the one to the other. No need to be a Darwin worshiper.

A purely materialistic atheistic worldview can only lead to moral relativism. It’s the only sane conclusion. Hence virtues such as honour and honesty need not be applied the way traditional marriage between men and women need not be upheld. Hence likely we see so much corruption and lack of replication in scientific work. Someone who is a believer and sees honesty as a virtue with real meaning is less likely to cheat in scientific works or less likely to be swayed by pure prestige or money than someone who shops for his morality on a daily basis.

And before you get upset the way you usually do, none of this is aimed at you.

 

[Tenofovir]

Hi, Tenofovir,

Excellent post - with a practical touch

God bless

Thank you!

God bless you too and everyone else, even the atheists.

 

[Not_Sure_1]

Hi, Gcharles,

As I see it, life is a series of trade-offs. People select what they want based on the information they are given. In the case of immunizations there are many organisms out there that will ruin either your day, or the days of your children. When you look at the numbers - and the published reports (here is one from the CDC: cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/why.htm ) it is a good idea to avoid these very real problems that impact millions throughout the world - take that risk, rather then avoid the real but statistically insignificant risk of an adverse reaction from the immunization. Those who elect to avoid the immunization essentially allow themselves to be part of a pool that the diseases can grow in… insuring that the orgnism remains.

We chose to drive - knowing that the odds of dying in a motor vehicle accident (MVA) are much greater then dying at home. If we want to have a life outside of our home, we take the necessary precautions (mechanically functioning car, wearing seat belts, not driving impaired, obeying the posted signs, etc.) Now, it is understood that even doing all of these things is no guarantee that you will not die or be injured in a MVA - but, most people do these things because it greatly incrases the odds at arriving at your destination safely.

I am not arguing about mercury or any other element in a vaccination. FDA has determined it is safe for the vast majority - but, there are risks. This is part of the real world - right up there with disease. I find it odd that the parents who are preventing their children for getting vaccinated - were themselves vaccinated (and therefore protected) from the disease that they want their own children to have exposure. Maybe the vaccination makers did too good of a job - just not enough morbidity and mortality around to convince people that avoid problems is so much better then trying to cure them.

It is out there, it is real and it is dangerous - you decide which one you want and then act accordingly.

God bless

But then there are those vaccinations made from aborted babies.

 

[Not_Sure_1]

“Inspired Word of God”

Biblical literalism is not a Catholic reading of Holy Scripture.

Do you have a Protestant background?

Do you study the Bible with Protestants- if you do- this may not be a good idea.

There’s nothing protestant about reading the Bible literally.
What is Protestant is Sola Scriptura, private interpretation and rejection of the magisterium.

THe Magisterium has not ruled on the literalness of Genesis, and so I can read it literally (just like the men of the past) with no damage to my faith, or status as a Catholic.

It is offensive to call us Creationists protestants.

and just like tqualey said, protestants are only literal when it suits their purpose.
When they read John 6, they suddenly become very figurative.

 

[Not_Sure_1]

Should we err on the side of safety and give one shot at a time? We must try something. This, at least, would lower the amoun t of mercury? Maybe, but just maybe it woulds help.

avoid all vaccines made from aborted fetal cells.

These include these versions of the Polio vaccine (Poliovax, Pentacel, DT Polio Adsorbed, Quadracel - Sanofi), the MMR vaccine (it is the Rubella component that is tainted, most measles or mumps vaccines are made licitly), the Chicken Pox Vaccine, and the Hepatitis A vaccine