In what ways can Protestants accept papal primacy today?

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This is a ridiculous question. Neither do we see our Lord in Matthew 18 or John 21 call any of the other disciples Satan. We can get as ridiculous as you like.

If you want to have a serious discussion actually looking at the text, then the real question is, what are the keys? In the context of Matthew 16 it is the power to forgive or retain sin. Again, in Matthew 18 and John 21 this power is given corporately to the Church.
 
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Hodos said:
This is a ridiculous question. Neither do we see our Lord in Matthew 18 or John 21 call any of the other disciples Satan. We can get as ridiculous as you like.
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It’ only seems ridiculous because you know the obvious answer. That obvious answer ruins your argument. That’s why it is “ridiculous” to you.
 
No, its ridiculous because it completely ignores the rest of the passage, and the greater context of the book of Matthew. You may be a fan of ripping a portion of a verse out of context and dumping 6-15 centuries of later development into it, but some of us actually read what comes before, during, and after the text that is being mentioned and read it from the perspective of those who wrote it.
 
Again, here you go (2nd Time):
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Matthew 16: And I Tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthew 18 using plural “You” to the disciples: Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them.

John also applies this to the wider group of the apostles: Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.
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Hodos said:
Matthew 18 using plural “You” to the disciples: Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them.

John also applies this to the wider group of the apostles: Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.
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And, where are the keys given in these passages?
 
Hodos said:
I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, AND whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
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Could the “and” be important, as if to suggest two different things? I give you the keys to my house, AND you can mow the yard. Then I go tell my other friends, truly you can mow the yard also.

That thought and a $$ might get me a cup of coffee. 🤨
 
AugustTherese said:
And, where are the keys given in these passages?
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I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
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Christ gives the essential power of the keys: to bind and loose.
Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
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And here, in 18, the power is repeated: the power to bind and loose, given to the disciples.

The keys to the kingdom essentially is the power to forgive sin.
 
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Third time.
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Matthew 16: And I Tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthew 18 using plural “You” to the disciples: Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them.

John also applies this to the wider group of the apostles: Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.
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One could not make the assumption that you are making based on the syntax of the sentence. Keep in mind that in Koine Greek, the word Kai (and) is frequently used as punctuation between clauses and sentences.
 
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Third time: where are any keys in your quote?
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Third time.
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AugustTherese:
Matthew 18 using plural “You” to the disciples: Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them.

John also applies this to the wider group of the apostles: Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.
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Fourth time. The keys are the power to loose and bind.
Hodos said:
Matthew 16: And I Tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthew 18 using plural “You” to the disciples: Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them.

John also applies this to the wider group of the apostles: Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.
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Fourth time. The keys are the power to loose and bind.
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Hodos:
Matthew 16: And I Tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Matthew 18 using plural “You” to the disciples: Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them.

John also applies this to the wider group of the apostles: Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.
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The Power of the Keys, that of opening and shutting pertaining to ecclesial jurisdiction and defining faith and morals, belongs only to Saint Peter to whom the Keys were given.

Binding and loosing pertaining to the remission of sins, belongs to all Bishops.
 
Where does Jesus define this? There is absolutely no mention of bishops, jurisdiction, etc. in the text. What is actually mentioned is the power to loose and bind, which is further defined just two chapters later as the power to forgive or retain sin, and is done so in the context of the whole Church (wherever two or more gather in my name, etc.). Will stick with Matthew’s version. Thanks.
 
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Where does Jesus define this? There is absolutely no mention of bishops, jurisdiction, etc. in the text.
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Sounds like a JW arguing against the Trinity because the word isn’t ‘ mentioned in the text’.
 
It’s interesting that the OP seemed to ask the various Protestants what it would take. At least that’s how interpreted the thread.

Representatives of several denominations answered, mostly politely, and the papal supremacy doctrine was cited throughout. (Along with some secondary points)

Then the thread descended into bible quote bashing. I just don’t get it. If ”we” hold papal supremacy to be unacceptable, and have been consistently doing so for 500 years, the Orthodox for a milennium, why would any of us change our minds and souls because some anonymous guy in a forum rants at us?
 
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Hodos:
Where does Jesus define this? There is absolutely no mention of bishops, jurisdiction, etc. in the text.
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Sounds like a JW arguing against the Trinity because the word isn’t ‘ mentioned in the text’.
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lol. That’s what you’ve done for post after post.
Just because keys isn’t mentioned by Christ when He gives the disciples the exact same power as given St Peter doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

A JW approach coming from a Catholic. 😒
 
JonNC said:
Just because keys isn’t mentioned by Christ when He gives the disciples the exact same power as given St Peter doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
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Really? By what or whose authority are you using?
 
SnowRose said:
why would any of us change our minds and souls because some anonymous guy in a forum rants at us?
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The Holy Spirit daily draws back souls to the Church that Jesus Christ founded through conversion. St. Francis de Sales converted 72,000 Calvinists back to Catholicism. It’s that little virtue called hope. And, btw, you and your Protestant friends are on a Catholic forum touting anti-papal claims; what do you expect us ‘anonymous’ guys to do? Just tolerate it with a spirit of indifferentism?
 
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