In your opinion, what does the phrase "keys to the kingdom" refer to?

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For the answer to this question, please read Mt.16;16-19
All believers are joined by faith in Jesus Christ.

This is the same faith that Peter expressed here.
he said, “You are the Messiah, the son of the living God.”
Jesus then said to Peter, “Blessed are you Simon son of Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven.”
See also Eph.2;19-21

God bless,
bluelake
Jesus didn’t begin a Church on something invisible like faith He built it on persons. To deny that Peter is the rock Jesus meant is to say that Jesus didn’t build a visible Church. The New Covenant involved the dwelling of God in a more intimate union. A covenant able to cause permanent change. The old covenant was built on Abraham’s faith and what you describe does not include the distinct character of the New Covenant
 
Are you saved by the keys or Jesus Christ, the Messiah?
Peter said to Jesus , "You are the Messiah, the son of the living God
This revelation was revealed to Peter by God the Father
This is the message that the apostles were to go and teach.

God bless,
bluelake
Did you recieve your faith from Jesus?
If you say the keys are Peter’s faith then it follows we are saved by the keys. We are saved by faith through hearing. But in this case it was through the mouth of the person of Peter our faith is first heard. Peter didn’t hear it from any mouth on earth. So it follows that we are saved by Peter’s faith in Jesus.
 
[SIGN][/SIGN]
Are you saved by the keys or Jesus Christ, the Messiah?
Peter said to Jesus , "[SIGN]You are the Messiah,[/SIGN] the son of the living God
This revelation was revealed to Peter by God the Father
This is the message that the apostles were to go and teach.

God bless,
bluelake
Huh? We are saved by Jesus Christ. Jesus saved us by dying on the cross. By his death on the Cross we were saved from original sin. By him leaving us the Church and Sacraments we are saved from actual sin.

But if you agree that the keys are the word, and Jesus Christ is the living word and we are saved by Christ what is the difference between the 2?:confused:
 
For the answer to this question, please read Mt.16;16-19
All believers are joined by faith in Jesus Christ.

This is the same faith that Peter expressed here.
he said, “You are the Messiah, the son of the living God.”
Jesus then said to Peter, “Blessed are you Simon son of Jonah! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father in heaven.”
See also Eph.2;19-21

God bless,
bluelake
Bluelake who ever said Peter knew Jesus like God the Father. No one ever said that. God the Father did speak to Peter in order to reveal this we know because Jesus said Flesh and bones did not reveal this, but what does God revealing this to Peter mean Peter is elevated to God?

If just because God revealed this to Peter made him God, we would have many gods then. Because God talked to Abraham, etc also. So what you are saying I do not understand. We never said Peter or Abraham was ever God. There is only One God.
 
Isaiah 22:20-22

Early Christians/ Jewish converts would have related it to Isaiah- has no one replied yet to OP with this verse? My apologies if they have.

It means “left in charge” if I had to leave my important business for a long while I would leave someone wise with “the keys” in charge to answer in my absence.
 
Back to the OP: It does not matter what my opinion of the scripture is. What matters is the truth that the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church teaches about it.
 
Hi, Bluekake,

You are setting up a false dichotomy. It is not salvation either by the Chruch or by Christ, but, rather, salvation by Christ through His Church - and, that would be the Catholic Church.
Are you saved by the keys or Jesus Christ, the Messiah?
Peter said to Jesus , "You are the Messiah, the son of the living God
This revelation was revealed to Peter by God the Father
This is the message that the apostles were to go and teach.

God bless,
bluelake
If you trot down the well worn road of the Protestants, then you will embrace this dichotomy - that the Chruch is merely incidental to our relationship with Christ. And, you see what that line of thiinking has accomplished: thousands of Protestant denominations, sects, cults and groupings that all claim to be the church perfected by men.

My initial issue with your idea of Peter knowing Christ as the Father knows Christ still stands. God the Father has an infinite Knowledge and Love of His Son - and can not possibly bring this to a human being. This is an attribute of God Alone.

God bless
 
I would like just **one Catholic to tell me specifically what they think these keys **are that were given to their church.
Who? Jesus the Christ [Mt. 16:16] The Son of God. All Knowing - all Wise - all everything Good. A key element of Gods Perfect Goodness is that God is and has to be “All-Fair and All Just.” Otherwise He would not be God.

The words used by Jesus are carefully selected to insure proper understanding.

[Mt. 16: 15-19] He [JESUS] said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, [Peter is in a personal one on one conversation with Jesus here] “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And [JESUS]I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock [ON YOU PETER] I will build my [SINGULAR] church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. [19] I will give you [PETER / My new Church] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

The choice of words selected by Christ. To “bind” and to “loose” were common, rabbinical, legally binding at Law terms for exactly that! Complete, and free governance. Jesus, Peter and all that heard knew exactly what Jesus meant! Exactly what Jesus meant!

WHERE Mt. 16:13: “Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” “

Caesarea Philippi is in the hill country of Judea. It was a by their standards, a large town. **It was also the site of the areas Major Pagan **Temple.

The location Jesus chooses is a clear indication of the Mission of His Church, and Peter and the Apostles. “Overcome, do away with pagan worship.” Jesus not only gives His Church this Mission, He gives His Church all of the tools and authority needed to accomplish it!

Why? The “Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven” is a literal statement of FACT! [Mt. 16:19] Jesus speaking directly to Saint Peter at the occasion of Founding His [now Catholic] Church: “[19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

This is what Jesus said, did, intended and has accomplished. It’s what the Word of God clearly says and clearly means. Amen!

**Back in the time if Jesus all major cites were walled in for protection from attack. These cities actually had two real GATES, with REAL KEYS. ** A minor gate and the Main gate.

Now under independent rule, each major city also had there own king, and thus a “kingdom.” So there were many Kings and many kingdoms. A brief reading of the Old Testament list many Kings (who often merged with other kingdoms for the purpose of self-defense) because they were usually too small to be completely independent against other NATIONS, who too merged all of their kingdoms resources to do battle and gain territory.

So the Apostles and the Jewish people of that time period would have been familiar and comfortable with the idea of a King and his Kingdom, a Prime Minister who is the Keeper of the Key’s.

Typically a Prime Minister had complete, autonomous control of ALL day to day activities. The Prime Minister answered to NO-ONE except the King Himself

This is the common understanding and the very reason for the specific reference to “Keys” and the “Kingdom.” There would have been absolutely zero doubts about what Christ was saying, doing and mandating for Peter, now the “Prime Minister” for Christ!

This account is historically provable. Indeed Christ intended to start His (ONE) Church, and to give Peter and those “prime-ministers” (POPES) complete and autonomous control and governance of His Church.

**
Isaiah 22: Re: PETER**(and Jesus)“22 And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. 23 And I will fasten him like a peg in a sure place, and he will become a throne of honor to his father’s house. 24 And they will hang on him the whole weight of his father’s house, the offspring and issue, every small vessel, from the cups to all the flagons

**Mt. 28: 19-20 **“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."

John 10: 1"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door MY CHURCH] but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber; 2 but he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

Rev. 3: [RE: PETER] . "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: 'The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one shall shut, who shuts and no one opens.

Eph. 2:19 19 So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple [SINGULAR] in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.****
 
Hi, PJM,

Thank you for an excellent respoonse - it was a pleasure to read it! 🙂
Who? Jesus the Christ [Mt. 16:16] The Son of God. All Knowing - all Wise - all everything Good. A key element of Gods Perfect Goodness is that God is and has to be “All-Fair and All Just.” Otherwise He would not be God.

The words used by Jesus are carefully selected to insure proper understanding.

[Mt. 16: 15-19] He [JESUS] said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” Simon Peter replied, [Peter is in a personal one on one conversation with Jesus here] “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And [JESUS]I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock [ON YOU PETER] I will build my [SINGULAR] church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. [19] I will give you [PETER / My new Church] the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”

The choice of words selected by Christ. To “bind” and to “loose” were common, rabbinical, legally binding at Law terms for exactly that! Complete, and free governance. Jesus, Peter and all that heard knew exactly what Jesus meant! Exactly what Jesus meant!

WHERE Mt. 16:13: “Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do men say that the Son of man is?” “

Caesarea Philippi is in the hill country of Judea. It was a by their standards, a large town. **It was also the site of the areas Major Pagan **Temple.

The location Jesus chooses is a clear indication of the Mission of His Church, and Peter and the Apostles. “Overcome, do away with pagan worship.” Jesus not only gives His Church this Mission, He gives His Church all of the tools and authority needed to accomplish it!

Why? The “Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven” is a literal statement of FACT! [Mt. 16:19] Jesus speaking directly to Saint Peter at the occasion of Founding His [now Catholic] Church: “[19] I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

This is what Jesus said, did, intended and has accomplished. It’s what the Word of God clearly says and clearly means. Amen!

**Back in the time if Jesus all major cites were walled in for protection from attack. These cities actually had two real GATES, with REAL KEYS. ** A minor gate and the Main gate.

Now under independent rule, each major city also had there own king, and thus a “kingdom.” So there were many Kings and many kingdoms. A brief reading of the Old Testament list many Kings (who often merged with other kingdoms for the purpose of self-defense) because they were usually too small to be completely independent against other NATIONS, who too merged all of their kingdoms resources to do battle and gain territory.

So the Apostles and the Jewish people of that time period would have been familiar and comfortable with the idea of a King and his Kingdom, a Prime Minister who is the Keeper of the Key’s.

Typically a Prime Minister had complete, autonomous control of ALL day to day activities. The Prime Minister answered to NO-ONE except the King Himself

This is the common understanding and the very reason for the specific reference to “Keys” and the “Kingdom.” There would have been absolutely zero doubts about what Christ was saying, doing and mandating for Peter, now the “Prime Minister” for Christ!

This account is historically provable. Indeed Christ intended to start His (ONE) Church, and to give Peter and those “prime-ministers” (POPES) complete and autonomous control and governance of His Church.

**
Isaiah 22: Re: PETER**(and Jesus)“22 And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. 23 And I will fasten him like a peg in a sure place, and he will become a throne of honor to his father’s house. 24 And they will hang on him the whole weight of his father’s house, the offspring and issue, every small vessel, from the cups to all the flagons

**Mt. 28: 19-20 **“Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."

John 10: 1"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door MY CHURCH] but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber; 2 but he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

Rev. 3: [RE: PETER]
. "And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: 'The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key of David, who opens and no one shall shut, who shuts and no one opens.

Eph. 2:19 19 So then you are no longer strangers and sojourners, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure is joined together and grows into a holy temple [SINGULAR] in the Lord; [singular] in whom you also are built into it for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.****

God bless,

Tom
 
I agree that peter probely has the keys to heaven literaly. He is probely the first guy you see in heaven.😃

If the world hates you remember that it hated me first, no servant is greater than his master, if they persecuted me they will persecute you.
 
I don’t know about that, CatholicGuy… 😃

With all the trouble Peter got into … I am thinking he probably misplaced things, too! :eek: So, while the ‘keys’ represented authority and his position as the one being in charge … wouldn’t it be a bummer if Peter got to the Pearly Gates…and started looking in his robe…😃
I agree that peter probely has the keys to heaven literaly. He is probely the first guy you see in heaven.😃

If the world hates you remember that it hated me first, no servant is greater than his master, if they persecuted me they will persecute you.
Have a great day
 
Knowing the predilection of the OP, maybe we should turn this around on him and ask him what it means. It is always interesting to get yet another of the 30,000+ opinions floating around out there.
 
=po18guy;5965263]Knowing the predilection of the OP, maybe we should turn this around on him and ask him what it means. It is always interesting to get yet another of the 30,000+ opinions floating around out there.
***Dear OP,

We have shared our narrow and highly focused view in reply to you’re question. Perhaps now you will further our enlightenment and tell us you’re view:rolleyes:***

Love and prayer’s
 
The only time the phrase is used is in Matthew 16:19- “and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.” (The literal translation preserves the cool and rare use of the future perfect periphrastic for luo and deo- for helpful grammar charts, go to this link englishpage.com/verbpage/futureperfect.html and look at Use 2).

There is one other place in the New Testament outside of Revelation where the word “key” is used in a similar way. Luke 11:52- “Woe to you, the lawyers [experts of the law], because ye took away the key of the knowledge; yourselves ye did not enter; and those coming in, ye did hinder.”

So it’s a key of knowledge rather than a key to the kingdom. By taking it away they hindered people from coming in, and they did not enter themselves. But go into what, and enter where? Perhaps the kingdom, or something closely associated with the “reign of the heavens.”

Do you think the passage from Luke 11 is relevant to interpreting the phrase used in Matthew 16? Any other thoughts?
Hi, please read this, especially the part about Isaiah 22:
catholic-pages.com/pope/hahn.asp

🙂
 
When Jesus established His Church, and the Kingdom, the old law no longer held. He, as
God, could “fulfill”, complete, abrogate, etc. the old law. He gave us a new commandment and a new everlasting covenant. In proof of this, He gave Peter the Keys to the Kingdom.
Now ,we all know that whoever possesses the keys to a house is the master of that house. He can admit who he will and exclude who he will. Jesus made Peter the master of His house here on earth and the authority to rule it. This authority did not end with Peter but has been passed on to his successors. If not, then why did Jesus bother at all to establish a Church without passing on the authority to rule it. Also, when Jesus founded his Church it was a visible Church and he named Peter as the rock on which it was to be built. Jesus Himself is the cornerstone of this Church. If this is not so, then why did He name Simon-bar-Jonah as Peter ( rock )?

And as if this were not enough, to make it clear that Peter was to rule a visible church for Jesus, He also gave Peter ( and his successors ) the power to “bind and to loose”. The decisions that Peter ( and his successors ) make acting as the steward or vicar of Christ will be, and are, ratified in Heaven. Jesus Himself will ratify these decisions ( per His words ). To say, or do, otherwise is to deny and reject Jesus’ words. ( Ref: Matthew 16:18-19 )

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
***The deciples and Apostles of Jesus asked Him. “Master, teach us to pray.” Jesus replied:

Matt. 6: 9 "Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come/*COLOR]. Thy will be done,/B]I]

So here out of the very mouth of Jesus is the explaination “of the key’s.” God ONLY finds merit in ONE Kingdom, His own, which we know as heaven. Thus the presentation of "the key’s to His kingdom; HEAVEN, were clearly given to Peter along with the authority and power to “bind and loose.” To permit, or to deny!

Someone clever may say; “but wait” Christ is speaking of a furture Kingdom, not one that is present now.:rolleyes:

Friend, there is, was, and shall be but a single Kingdom of God. The kingdom that Peter received the key’s to control access to and denial from this One Kingdom.😉 Thus in giving the key’s to access to heaven to Peter and Peters Successors, in the very next breath God grants the power and authority to determine who, how, why, one will or will not gain aces to heaven.😃 One ought to take this VERY SERIOUSLY while one can freely choose to do so.

Love and prayers,**
 
Referring back to the OP, does it really matter what our opinion is? What about the truth as revealed to the world through the Church of Christ, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth? God’s Kingdom is not a matter of opinion, but rather of obedience.
 
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