Inappropriate T-Shirt in Mass

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holdencaulfield said:
Like I said before it should have been reported to the Archbishop and preferably the priest should have been removed from his position. I can’t believe anyone who calls themselves “Catholic” would be permitting something like this. I would most likely have left the parish. Did you talk to the priest.
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Basically, they told me that if I didn’t like the way things were going there, I was free to find myself another Church.
 
bobzills said:
Basically, they told me that if I didn’t like the way things were going there, I was free to find myself another Church.
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Did you contact your Archbishop. It’s your Archbishops responsibility to follow the Church. I like how all these liberal Catholics think that the Council of Vatican II allowed them to do whatever the hell they wanted. It’s called reading Church documents. Because seriously what your priest is doing is heresy. No Catholic can disagree with this. The Archbishop should ask him once to recant his views and if he does not. 🙂Excommunication🙂
 
holdencaulfield said:
Did you contact your Archbishop. It’s your Archbishops responsibility to follow the Church. I like how all these liberal Catholics think that the Council of Vatican II allowed them to do whatever the hell they wanted. It’s called reading Church documents. Because seriously what your priest is doing is heresy. No Catholic can disagree with this. The Archbishop should ask him once to recant his views and if he does not. 🙂Excommunication🙂
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Another parishoner told me basically the same thing. Except that in this case he was on the liturgical committee. He complained several times, but was told that this is how things are going to be and if you don’t like it, you are free to find yourself another Church.
 
I understand. One more question however. Did you appeal to your Archbishop? I don’t understand, if all these Catholics like this type of thing, why don’t they just become Protestant. No ones forcing them to stay.
 
holdencaulfield said:
I understand. One more question however. Did you appeal to your Archbishop? I don’t understand, if all these Catholics like this type of thing, why don’t they just become Protestant. No ones forcing them to stay.
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The parishoner I mentioned was a former seminarian in the RCC. Because of what he was told at the parish as I mentioned, he left the western rite RCC and joined an Eastern Byzantine Catholic Church. He will have nothing to do with the western rite RCC today.
I myself decided to have a talk with an Eastern Orthodox priest in a local Church here. I noticed that he was having adult instruction catechism type classes on Thursday nights and I asked him if I could join the classes. We had a few discussions and he concluded that I was a heretic, a Roman Catholic heretic. As a Roman Catholic heretic, I would not be allowed to join his Eastern Orthodox adult catechism classes, since these were reserved for those people who had been baptised and chrismated in the Eastern Orthodox Church, or who had the serious intention of doing so.
So I haven’t left the Catholic Church for either Protestanttism or Eastern Orthodoxy, although I remain somewhat suspicious of the post Vatican II liberalism which is prevelant in the RCC today.
 
bobzills said:
Unacceptable to whom? I went to a Mass recently in our area, and there were enormous speakers and electronic musical instruments at the altar. During the Mass there were about three or four, long haired, bearded singers, banging away and making all kinds of loud noise, which was supposed to be music. They were wearing the type of t-shirt, where you can see the stomack of the individual, and where the sleeves are cut off at the shoulders in order to give you a good view of their hairy underarm pits as they were banging away on their electronic musical instruments at the altar during the Mass.
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I sometimes can’t believe my eyes when I read these accounts of the masses people find. I guess we have it pretty good here in Canada. I don’t know how you can tolerate this kind of thing.
 
Neil_Anthony said:
I sometimes can’t believe my eyes when I read these accounts of the masses people find. I guess we have it pretty good here in Canada. I don’t know how you can tolerate this kind of thing.
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Wasn’t Jesus long-haired and bearded, too?😃
 
Mintaka said:
Many Catholics believe in the tooth fairy. Somehow, I don’t think that makes it real.

Pretty much anybody can get a nice shirt and a nice pair of pants to wear to church. And in fact, most of the really poor people who attend church will dress up in their best, every Sunday. They have pride.

If someone genuinely doesn’t have any clothing but what they’re standing up in, then yes, the Church should welcome him, whatever the tatters or smells. Then the Church should make sure to provide this person with nice clean clothes, hygiene help, and whatever else he may need.

But usually, the people I see dressing insufficiently have vast wardrobes. The richer the person is, the less likely they are to dress up for Mass (or have sidewalks clear of snow in the winter. Not an absolute rule, but pretty close).

Nobody is saying anybody should be tossed out, but people should have some rudimentary idea that Mass is the most important thing you attend all week.
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I completely agree. When I pastored United Methodist Churches I ocassionally had the privilege of exchanging pulpits with some parishes that were much poorer than the ones I served. I found that in every case the poorer people dressed better than the middle class people. They loved God so much that they wished to dress appropriately in His presence. The cutesy idea that middle class and wealthier people should dress like slobs when going to Church may not have begun in the 1960s but it certainly got a big boost by those from that decade. It’s sort of the Marxist badge of honor to dress like a slob in inappropriate places. These would be Marxist doubtless don’t even understand Marxism but they know how to intentionally rub people’s nerves raw.

CDL
 
pmoo said:
Wasn’t Jesus long-haired and bearded, too?😃
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Bearded, yes. Long-haired? Doubtful. He was an orthodox Jew.

And, contrary to much Western Christian imagery, He probably was not pale, blue-eyed, auburn-haired, with a ballet dancer’s physique. I’d wager He was olive-skinned, dark-eyed, black haired (maybe even curly), and built like a tank (He was, after all, son of a builder – either a carpenter or a stonemason). He probably had a good, aquiline, Mediterranean nose. And probably was not that handsome, if we take the prophets into account.
 
pmoo said:
Wasn’t Jesus long-haired and bearded, too?😃
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He may have had a beard, and what we might consider “long” hair (shoulder length) but He was a Rabbi of the Synagogue - He would have been appropriately dressed, neatly groomed, and clean. He wore a seamless purple garment to His court appearance on the last day of His life - not exactly thrift-shop stuff, there. I don’t even think the technology to make seamless clothing even exists, at present - it is a lost art.
 
rpp said:
Who said anything about judging?
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Some of the posts are judgmental. When we take it upon ourselves to decide what is acceptable attire, we are judging. My point is it should be left to the church/priests. My principal sets the dress code for teachers and students, and so should the priest set it for his church.
 
pmoo said:
Some of the posts are judgmental. When we take it upon ourselves to decide what is acceptable attire, we are judging.
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Not really, no. Nobody is consigning anybody to Hell; this is what is forbidden by the commandment not to judge.

We are certainly permitted to use our common sense and our discernment to evaluate whether this behaviour is acceptable to be imitated by us or by those that we love; this kind of “judgment” is not only permitted, but highly encouraged, in order to keep our society from falling completely into the gutter.
 
pmoo said:
Some of the posts are judgmental. When we take it upon ourselves to decide what is acceptable attire, we are judging. My point is it should be left to the church/priests. My principal sets the dress code for teachers and students, and so should the priest set it for his church.
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I am so sick of people accusing others of being judgmental. It is a cop out, intellectually illogical, weak and insulting statement. It is an abdication of responsibility and a promotion of moral relativity and social anarchy.

First, we commit the sin of judgement when we, in our hearts, consign someone to Hell. Period. End of definition.

If we look at someone and see a slovenly dressed man loitering outside a convenience store in a bad neighborhood furtively looking around trying to hide a bulge in one pocket, it would not be wrong judge that the man may be up to no good.

If we see a scantily clad woman, most men will conclude that she is looking for something.

If we wear a person wearing a T-shirt that says “God is dead” to Mass, it would not be wrong to conclude that such a person is intentionally making an anti-Christian statement.

Are we “judging”, in the Biblical sense, any of these people? No. But we can conclude that their behavior may be sinful. As such, it is our responsibility to point this out to them. For when we fail to point out the sin in another person, when we fail to help lead them, by both our actions and our words, to the Truth of God, then, if they do indeed end up in Hell, their blood may be on our hands. Don’t believe me, read Ezekiel 3:16-26.

How we behave in public, including how we dress, is everyone’s business. Our public behavior can be either a support or a stumbling block to those around us. To deny this is to abdicate responsibility. To accuse others of “judging” is sophistry of the sorriest sort.
 
jmcrae said:
Not really, no. Nobody is consigning anybody to Hell; this is what is forbidden by the commandment not to judge.

We are certainly permitted to use our common sense and our discernment to evaluate whether this behaviour is acceptable to be imitated by us or by those that we love; this kind of “judgment” is not only permitted, but highly encouraged, in order to keep our society from falling completely into the gutter.
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Well, this is where we disagree, which is fine. Wearing a crummy tee-shirt is definitely in bad taste and inappropriate in my opinion. However, it will probably not lead to society falling into the gutter. I still maintain I am not the one to decide who is dressed appropriately or inappropriately. It’s simply my taste or preference.

And, I will say no more on this topic. Your opinion is simply different than mine.
 
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