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Kendy,

If you are not on speaking terms with your priest then I say it is due time for you to move on. Your spiritual director is not infallible and it ultimately is up to your to dicern whether it is good for you to stick around the Parish. If you and the priest are not on speaking terms your presence alone may be a thorn in his side. With that in mind I must admit a Priest who is not on speaking terms with any parishoner is immature to say the least and a deeply troubled person to say the worst. You need to consider the fact that perhaps GOd is calling you to move on. Not everyone is called to “stick it out”. If you are called to stay then you will know after you leave you should return. I have fallen into the trap of being the self appointed rescuer of My Parish of which I am catching myself doing in this post. But you did come here for some advice. Officially Leave the parish and register at a new one. If you feel called to return GOd will let you know. But it seems obvious to me that you and your Parish are not even on the same page when it comes to Catholicism.

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Last week our priest said “become fishers of men and women” while reading the Gospel. 😦

Now just who gives them authority to change Jesus’ words?
 
Last week our priest said “become fishers of men and women” while reading the Gospel.
Now just who gives them authority to change Jesus’ words?
There, this is a good example of inclusive language ‘theatre of the absurd’ (though through the 90s I heard all too often “fishers of people”.) Yes, way to make a good play on words into a thuddeningly crass ‘inclusion moment.’

Does anybody really think that women are so oppressed/marginalized or just flat out stupid and prideful to consider that they are part of the race of ‘men’?

You know, we never used to have all this persnickety business when the Mass was in Latin. . .😃

Or, come to that, when I go to a Mass in the vernacular when the language is in French, German, Spanish, Italian. . . I don’t recall hearing, “Hommes et femmes, herren und frauen, senors y senoras, or signores et signorinas” ad infinitum.
 
You had me, until this. Tim, Tim, Tim, America is America. Tradition has changed since I was a girl of 8 in 1966. It’s not all bad. I just read through the “head covering” thread, ad nasuem…and of course the feminist movement got blamed for that. I haven’t worn anything on my head to mass since my communion veil in 1966. And I won’t wear one, period. As for the communion, it doesn’t matter if they kneel or stand, that person should not have been denied communion. And that is the “ugly side” of the progressives. Again, the “extremes”. There is much to be said about about the EDIT radical traditionalists, wanting the Church to backward…as well as the EDIT Progressives wanting to go too far forward, that mass begins to look like a tent revival.

There is a middle ground…somewhere.
That middle ground is where the lukewarm congregate. Our Lord said He would spit out the lukewarm. Lukewarm has no character and no core beliefs.

The only way the Mass will be most efficacious is if it reverts to glorifying God as it did before the Novus Ordo. I would love to see the bells return during Consecration…they gave us all an awareness of the Presence.

Funny, in the secular world and in the U.S. as an example we play “Hail to the Chief” when the President makes his appearance. But Catholics nowadays do not even sound those gentle bells when the Lord arrives.
 
That middle ground is where the lukewarm congregate. Our Lord said He would spit out the lukewarm. Lukewarm has no character and no core beliefs.

The only way the Mass will be most efficacious is if it reverts to glorifying God as it did before the Novus Ordo. I would love to see the bells return during Consecration…they gave us all an awareness of the Presence.

Funny, in the secular world and in the U.S. as an example we play “Hail to the Chief” when the President makes his appearance. But Catholics nowadays do not even sound those gentle bells when the Lord arrives.
In your parish are the bells not rung during Consecration?

Ive been to many a N.O. Mass and cannot remember the bells never rung (except during lent)
even at daily N.O mass today the bells were rung

this is truly sad.
 
This is a short compilation why God can never be termed Mother, it is sad that the Church has people who behave in such an unworthy manner :•
***From the Liturgiam authenticam 31 *In particular: to be avoided is the systematic resort to imprudent solutions such as a mechanical substitution of words, … Some particular norms are the following: a) In referring to almighty God or the individual persons of the Most Holy Trinity, the truth of tradition as well as the established gender usage of each respective language are to be maintained. ……
** From the Norms for the Translation of Biblical Texts for Use in the Liturgy “4/2.
The grammatical gender of God, pagan deities, and angels according to the original texts must not be changed insofar as this is possible in the receptor language. 4/3. In fidelity to the inspired Word of God, the traditional biblical usage for naming the persons of the Trinity as Father, Son and Holy Spirit is to be retained.”

**From the Holy See’s Observations on the English-language Translation of the Roman Missal (2002) B] “After the Orate, fratres, the people’s response Suscipiat Dominus sacrificium de manibus tuis . . has been distorted, apparently for purposes of “inclusive language”: “May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands for the praise and glory of God’s name, for our good, and the good of all the Church.” The insertion of the possessive God’s gives the impression that the Lord who accepts the sacrifice is different from God whose name is glorified by it. The Church is no longer His Church, and is no longer called holy * a flaw in the previous translation that one might have hoped would be corrected.”

Fr Paul Mankowski SJ (Crisis, Vol. 9, 1991, p. 23) who writes: "The acknowledgement of God as Father is an essential part of Christian kerygma: it is unarguably the belief of the Catholic Church. The priest may responsibly take prudent measures not to give casual offence, but if he ‘adapts’ the wording to ‘Parent’ or ‘Mother/Father’, he has forsaken that very doctrine which he was entrusted to pass on in the liturgy; he promotes disunity."

William Oddie, formerly an Anglican pastor and now a Catholic, reminds us that in the whole of the Old Testament God is described as Father 11 times. Jesus, in startling contrast, uses the term at least 170 times, and, except for the cry of dereliction from the cross, always uses this form of address and no other. The unfailing use of this form of address by Jesus confirms our belief that to call God Father is an integral part of Christ’s revelation (What Will Happen to God? p. 104).

And once again the Holy Father as Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (The Ratzinger Report, p. 78), states that it is certainly not accidental that the Apostles’ Creed begins with the confession: “I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth.” This primordial faith in the Creator God (a God who is really God) forms a pivot as it were, about which all other Christian truths turn. The strongest reason for calling God Father, from the Christian point of view, is that God himself through the scriptures has told us how to speak of him.

In Fr Michael Müller’s work the “Apostles Creed” there is a wonderful explanation of why God is called Father and on why that title above all provides Him with dignity. “Why is the first person called Father?” “***Because, from all eternity, He begets a Son, who is equal to Him in all things, and who is called the Word, the Wisdom of God. *The first person of the Holy Trinity is called God the Father. What we consider and admire in a father is, as has already been said, his great yearning to communicate himself and all his goods, as far as possible, to his children. This yearning of communicating himself and all his goods in God the Father is infinite, it is essential to his nature; for God is infinite love. Love, however, culminates in the reproduction of itself, that is, of generating its own image. The first person in God being Father, eternally begets, as such another self, who is his Son, his most perfect image. He, together with his Son, sends forth a third self, proceeding from both, who is their reciprocal love, the Holy Ghost so that the one divine Essence is quite the same in each of the three divine persons. Hence it is something far greater in God to be Father than to be Lord: for, as Father, he generates his Son, who is equal to himself; whilst, as Lord, he has created the universe, which is infinitely less than himself.”
 
In your parish are the bells not rung during Consecration?

Ive been to many a N.O. Mass and cannot remember the bells never rung (except during lent)
even at daily N.O mass today the bells were rung

this is truly sad.
No, bells are not rung on the Savior’s arrival at the time of Consecration in my parish…in fact, I do not know where it is donwe anywhere. You’re right it is sad and kinda empty, too.
 
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