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HarryStotle
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Has it?
Could you summarize that “answer” and “put down” rather than just asserting that it has been done?
I’ll be here, waiting…
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Increase of Atheists around the world, increase of crime any coincidence?
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Could you summarize that “answer” and “put down” rather than just asserting that it has been done?
I’ll be here, waiting…
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HumbleIOughtToBe
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I bring up someone who has done more studying than myself. I will not try to know what they know.
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HarryStotle
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So you believe anything from anyone who has “done more studying” than yourself?
You won’t try to know what they know, but you will just take them as Gospel?
I suppose that is where you and I differ.
My position as that we are each responsible for what we accept. To check it and confirm it if it is a significant piece of information, i.e., important to know. Otherwise I wouldn’t just repeat it as if I know it, too.
I wouldn’t tout something just because it has been claimed to have been proved. We are meant to think. That means we have the capacity to understand, i.e., to “know what they know.” And if they can’t express that knowledge in terms of how they got to what they know in ways others can comprehend, I doubt that knowledge has much value.
Clearly, by your admission, you don’t know that "the mass murderers of the 20th century, Hitler, Mao, Stalin prove anything about a disbelief in god.** You are merely repeating something you don’t know for certain.
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Lys
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I had to take a longer absence from this discussion due to suspension. This question was left hanging in the air. I think that the concept of “just like me” is obvious and well defined. Are we not both humans? Humans are “rational animals” says the Catholic system. If I am hurt, if I feel pain, I try to avoid it, because I am a biological being. As the inverse golden rule says, “don’t do onto others that you would not want others do unto you”. This is the best universal moral rule I can imagine.
Of course the thread has been dormant for a long time, so, if there is no reply, I will understand it.
Merry Christmas, if we don’t see each other until then.
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EndTimes
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Hindu’s are not bothered to discuss God / Jesus with Christians. .
The term “Atheist” defines as someone who does not believe in GOD… a THE (GOD) - ist.
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there’s no reason therefore to avoid mentioning God
to one who ID’s as being Not a believer in God. .
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Barnesy
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The point i was making was that if a hindu told you something was wrong because his god says so then youd ask him for another reason. His god saying so wouodnt make any sense to you. So youd want to know why his god thought it was wrong. Just saying god says so isnt good enough.Barnesy:
Hindu’s are not bothered to discuss God / Jesus with Christians. .
The term “Atheist” defines as someone who does not believe in GOD… a THE (GOD) - ist.
If one is knowledgeable -
there’s no reason therefore to avoid mentioning God
to one who ID’s as being Not a believer in God. .
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upant
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why? if it is what they believe no other answer needs to exist, it is just not good enough for those who believe differently. they don’t owe anyone an explanation.
sometimes it is a matter of obedience and no other reason exists. you are free to not believe it.
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EndTimes
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Perhaps you’re just speaking for yourself within that in-cred-ble hypothetical scenario …
Do you have any experience in apologetics?
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Barnesy
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So if you believe some thing then you should do whatever your belief tells you to. You dont need a reason. Is that what you mean??Barnesy:
why? if it is what they believe no other answer needs to exist
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Barnesy
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No but i have a lot of experience asking people the reson why they do things. Dont you like to know why people do things?Barnesy:
Do you have any experience in apologetics?
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why do terrorist kill for religion or a secular cause?
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Barnesy
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You already gave me the answer to that. You said they dont need any other reason than god tells them. They dont have to ask why. They don’t owe anyone an explanation. Sometimes it is a matter of obedience. Why are you asking me when you already gave the answer??Barnesy:
why do terrorist kill for religion ?
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because it is the answer to the question you asked
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Barnesy
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But that was a reason you thought was a good one. So if terrorists kill people and they dont have to give a reason except god said it was ok then you think thats ok. I dont. I want to know why they think god says its ok. Because its obviously not and if theres a reason not to do some thing you cant argue with any one who says i dont care god says its ok. But if you think its ok to do some thing and you dont need to give an explantion then thats ok for you. Thank you for telling us.Barnesy:
because it is the answer to the question you asked
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VanitasVanitatum
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It is a reasonable request. If the only reason is God says so, don’t be surprised if nobody is going to listen and it is a bad apologetic tactic anyways. It would be better to not engage in apologetics at all if you aren’t able to know what your audience needs.
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Barnesy
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Maybe endtimes and me dont have the experience yet but he should still join in with the discussions and learn to get better. Thank you for your advice.EndTimes:
It is a reasonable request. If the only reason is God says so, don’t be surprised if nobody is going to listen and it is a bad apologetic tactic anyways. It would be better to not engage in apologetics at all if you aren’t able to know what your audience needs.
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flamingpuppet
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Because many who claim Christianity live as if there is no God. They are nominal Christians, have no true faith and are in reality atheists.
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upant
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I didn’t say that I said they believe.
why do you think people owe you a reason? do you think these suicide bombers are reasonable people? they are following what they believe their good book instructs. would a reasonable person kill themselves for a cause if they thought it through?
to you it is not, to them they are guaranteed heaven. you can’t offer anything greater than that.
nobody owes anybody anything. why would I have to justify any of my actions to anyone else?
I haven’t told you anything. I hope you don’t judge people from a forum post.
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Hume
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It’s been awhile since I checked the stats but the western nations with higher levels of atheism/agnosticism tend to be more developed and actually have lower crime stats.
But as it has been said, we believe what we want and Reason comes along for the ride.
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Barnesy
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Yes you have. You said you dont have to justify any of your actions to any one. If thats what you think then ok.
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