Increase of Atheists around the world, increase of crime any coincidence?

[upant]

Yes you have. You said you dont have to justify any of your actions to any one. If thats what you think then ok.

please explain why you think I should have to explain myself

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

Yes you have. You said you dont have to justify any of your actions to any one. If thats what you think then ok.

please explain why you think I should have to explain myself

If you do some thing then you should tell people why your doing it. If you dont want to then you dont have to. Its up to you if you want to explain the reason.

 

[upant]

If you do some thing then you should tell people why your doing it. If you dont want to then you dont have to. Its up to you if you want to explain the reason.

but why should you tell people what you are doing? that doesn’t make any sense to me. what concern is it of theirs? why do they need to know? as long as I am not hurting them, it isn’t their business.

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

If you do some thing then you should tell people why your doing it. If you dont want to then you dont have to. Its up to you if you want to explain the reason.

but why should you tell people what you are doing? that doesn’t make any sense to me. what concern is it of theirs? why do they need to know? as long as I am not hurting them, it isn’t their business.

We are talking about why people do what god tells them to do. If you havent got a reason for doing some thing except saying god told me to do it then you havent got a reason apart from that. It means you havent thought about it to think why god is asking you to do it. If you think that god is telling you to do some thing like killing children then you either think about it and decide if its right or wrong or you just do it. When i say that you need to tell people why you are doing something i mean that you need to tell them the reason. Sorry i thought that was obvious.

 

[upant]

When i say that you need to tell people why you are doing something i mean that you need to tell them the reason. Sorry i thought that was obvious.

why do you need to tell anyone a reason? I don’t know anyone who does this!

If you think that god is telling you to do some thing like killing children then you either think about it and decide if its right or wrong or you just do it.

I already said they do it because they are offered heaven. they are taught to think this way. there is no questioning their teaching. they just do it.

 

[Barnesy]

I already said they do it because they are offered heaven. they are taught to think this way. there is no questioning their teaching. they just do it.

Ok so thats wrong. They do things because there is no questioning their teaching. So the right way is to question your teaching?

 

[EndTimes]

No but i have a lot of experience asking people the reson why they do things. Dont you like to know why people do things?

Okay… That’s what you do…

And I’ve a lot of experiences with peoples… including engaging in apologetics and all what that entails,
leading me to come to know a lot about myself and others - and why I/they do things.

To the OP - [Increase of Atheists around the world, increase of crime any coincidence?]

Are you perchance reasonably versed in Christian Scriptural Prophesy?

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[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

No but i have a lot of experience asking people the reson why they do things. Dont you like to know why people do things?

Okay… That’s what you do…

And I’ve a lot of experiences with peoples… including engaging in apologetics and all what that entails,
leading me to come to know a lot about myself and others - and why I/they do things.

Its good isnt it to talk to people with different views and we can learn more about each other and best of all about ourselves.

 

[EndTimes]

It is a reasonable request. If the only reason is God says so, don’t be surprised if nobody is going to listen and it is a bad apologetic tactic anyways. It would be better to not engage in apologetics at all if you aren’t able to know what your audience needs.

B/C You appear/appeared? to be almost incapable of getting away from that “b/c God says so” tack, that is exactly what led me to gently approach you is it?
with question concerning any ‘level’ wrt Apologetics.

That said, and back to that foci on “b/c God said so” -
which, barring the context of certain ongoing discussions
is for most of the time - meaningless,
if that’s all someone is able to respond with (b/c God said so) …
yet, it’s not necessarily incorrect…

What is required whenever anyone makes a declaration,
is that they attempt to back up their claim with supportive argumentation…
which in turn gets accepted or not: again, with reasons given as to why not.

As for anything connected w/God - it behooves an honest seeker
to seek out another’s understanding - before simply and foolishly
go on any juvenile rant whose intent is to debunk what they know not.

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[HarryStotle]

I think that the concept of “just like me” is obvious and well defined. Are we not both humans? Humans are “rational animals” says the Catholic system. If I am hurt, if I feel pain, I try to avoid it, because I am a biological being.

This is an odd response. You claim “just like me” is defined as “rational animals,” and then ONLY characterize feelings and hurts. Where is the “rational” part of that, as if humans are merely biological animals.

 

[EndTimes]

So, I’m sorry, but you don’t actually know that abortion was massive in communist Russia

It is well known… Even publicly spoken of in Russia…

Godless Milititant Atheist Marxist Revolutionaries
and even your run of the Mill AntiChristian Leftists
Always peddle and force Abortion…

 

[Lys]

This is an odd response. You claim “just like me” is defined as “rational animals,” and then ONLY characterize feelings and hurts. Where is the “rational” part of that, as if humans are merely biological animals.

Because that is the important part in interpersonal relationships. I don’t hurt you, because I don’t want to be hurt by you (or others). Actually, it is a rational approach. I do good to others, because “what goes around, comes around”.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

This is an odd response. You claim “just like me” is defined as “rational animals,” and then ONLY characterize feelings and hurts. Where is the “rational” part of that, as if humans are merely biological animals.

Because that is the important part in interpersonal relationships. I don’t hurt you, because I don’t want to be hurt by you (or others). Actually, it is a rational approach. I do good to others, because “what goes around, comes around”.

Is the “good” that is done to others, and hopefully reciprocated, determined by feelings or by reasoning from what constitutes the end good for human beings, based upon the nature of what it means to be human?

That is the difference that you don’t address in the “animal” part of rational animals. Animals are programmed by instinct to behave in ways to preserve their lives. Unfortunately, having minds, i.e., the rational part of rational animal, means that what is good for human beings is distinctively different from what is good for animals.

This is where morality comes into play. Animals are not moral beings, but humans are. Morality isn’t determined by “feelings and hurts,” but on what the end good is in terms of what it means to be human.

This is why an atheistic view of morality is very likely to be deficient because an atheist generally denies anything but a naturalistic view of human nature. A human being is nothing but a physical or biological being, according to atheists, which means the end for which human beings exist is going to be radically different for an atheist compared to a theist.

 

[Lys]

Is the “good” that is done to others, and hopefully reciprocated, determined by feelings or by reasoning from what constitutes the end good for human beings, based upon the nature of what it means to be human?

Who says that these are incompatible? Reciprocal altruism is good, no matter why one practices it.

That is the difference that you don’t address in the “animal” part of rational animals . Animals are programmed by instinct to behave in ways to preserve their lives. Unfortunately, having minds, i.e., the rational part of rational animal, means that what is good for human beings is distinctively different from what is good for animals.

A huge part of our actions are programmed, and instinctive. Some estimates are 95% (or more!) of all of our activities. Even learned behavior, like politeness becomes instinctive after a while. Biologically, there is no difference in what is “good” for humans and lesser animals. Seeking pleasure and avoiding pain is universal.

This is why an atheistic view of morality is very likely to be deficient because an atheist generally denies anything but a naturalistic view of human nature.

I could not care less about the “why”. If you are hungry, a loaf of bread is equally nutritious whether it was given from real altruism, or to gain “brownie points” in the eyes of others. Or even when it was (allegedly) commanded by some deity.

By the way, I have no idea what your point might be. Maybe you could enlighten me.

 

[Barnesy]

Lys:

HarryStotle:

This is an odd response. You claim “just like me” is defined as “rational animals,” and then ONLY characterize feelings and hurts. Where is the “rational” part of that, as if humans are merely biological animals.

Because that is the important part in interpersonal relationships. I don’t hurt you, because I don’t want to be hurt by you (or others). Actually, it is a rational approach. I do good to others, because “what goes around, comes around”.

Is the “good” that is done to others, and hopefully reciprocated, determined by feelings or by reasoning from what constitutes the end good for human beings, based upon the nature of what it means to be human?

We use reason to know that what we feel is the same as what some body else feels so if we dont like being beaten then we reason that some one else wouldnt like it either. And that wouldnt work unless we had feelings. So we use reason to know that if its bad for us then its bad for everyone. Just because some thing feels nice doesnt mean its good and just because something feels bad doesnt mean its wrong. So its both.

 

[HarryStotle]

By the way, I have no idea what your point might be. Maybe you could enlighten me.

Remind me again, why it would matter?

I could not care less about the “why”.

 

[HarryStotle]

We use reason to know that what we feel is the same as what some body else feels …

That might be why you use reason – to reinforce your emotional life.

Unfortunately, that is a rather hobbled view of the capabilities of the faculty.

 

[Barnesy]

Barnesy:

We use reason to know that what we feel is the same as what some body else feels …

That might be why you use reason – to reinforce your emotional life.

Unfortunately, that is a rather hobbled view of the capabilities of the faculty.

Im sorry that makes no sense to me. We are feelings and reason. We are a mixture of both. We need both to be what we are. Could you explain what you mean?

 

[flamingpuppet]

Are you perchance reasonably versed in Christian Scriptural Prophesy?

No kidding. Godlessness------>lawlessness, sexual perversion, transgender lunacy, “drag queen story hour,” epidemic pornography use, etc. etc.

 

[HarryStotle]

HarryStotle:

Barnesy:

We use reason to know that what we feel is the same as what some body else feels …

That might be why you use reason – to reinforce your emotional life.

Unfortunately, that is a rather hobbled view of the capabilities of the faculty.

Im sorry that makes no sense to me. We are feelings and reason. We are a mixture of both. We need both to be what we are. Could you explain what you mean?

The basis for feelings are not the same as the grounds for reason.

Feelings are subjective emotional responses to situations, ideas, persons, etc.

Reason is not grounded in emotion nor subjectivity but in the truth. The grounds we have for believing or reasoning is truth.

To mix emotion and reason as if they both have the same (name removed by moderator)uts is an error that possibly taints the process of reasoning by expanding or diluting the grounds we have for thinking something – anything – to be true.

In other words, emotion distorts or clouds the clarity of truth by persuading the subject considering what is or is not true that emotions count to some large degree in terms of what they ought to believe or not. This is where cognitive biases come into play…

How Cognitive Biases Influence the Way You Think and Act

Cognitive biases influence how we think and can lead to errors in decisions and judgments. Learn the common ones, how they work, and their impact. Learn more about cognitive bias.

www.verywellmind.com

The truth of reality does not depend upon how we feel about it. The truth is what it is, and the better we can detach from emotion, the clearer that reality and truth become.

That does not mean we stop feeling, it does mean we become more capable of distinguishing between emotional ties and truth, or when reality becomes distorted or clouded by emotion.