Increase of Atheists around the world, increase of crime any coincidence?

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Freddy:
I steal something from them and ask them if I was doing right or doing wrong. Guess what they’d say.
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it is against societal law. there is no right or wrong in atheism as much as you want it to be. just societal norm and that changes. cali just changed the rules on shoplifting, up to $950 it is only a fine. the cops don’t even bother to arrest people for it. yes, shoplifting is on the rise.

why do you need a right and wrong, good and evil? your world view doesn’t require it
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I don’t ‘need’ a right and wrong. I need someone to enforce what we all consider to be right or wrong just in case there are some (like the guy who stole my wife’s jewellery) who consider themselves exempt.

And yes, it is a societal norm. Exactly correct. So we all agree that stealing is wrong. Believers and unbelievers alike. Whodda thunk! And we call stealing immoral. If we all thought it was perfectly ok we wouldn’t.

Notice a correlation there?
 
GiftofMercy said:
In my region, the violence of crime and its outlawishness has increased considerably. Even 5 years ago what is happening now , would not have been dared.

I blame the media and video games and role playing games etc.

The downward spiral of societal desensitisation continues.
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So now we have:
Media
Drugs
Video games
Atheism

Did I miss any?
 
Freddy said:
And yes, it is a societal norm. Exactly correct. So we all agree that stealing is wrong. Believers and unbelievers alike. Whodda thunk! And we call stealing immoral. If we all thought it was perfectly ok we wouldn’t.
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but we don’t believe that, look at the sanctuary cities. look at the shoplifting rules, look at abortion. we don’t have societal norms any more. anti-fa violence in the streets of Portland is allowed by the police, some say encouraged by the mayor. violent criminals allowed to walk free, there is no standard of right and wrong since they took the 10 commandments off the court house doors. the atheists who fought for separation of church and state are reaping what they sowed as crime starts to increase.

there is a right and wrong, there is a good and evil, the atheist knows it because God put this knowledge in their heart but their belief system can’t justify it. you can’t prove it by society, man is fallen and will turn on a dime.

it takes more faith to believe this universe of matter always was than to believe that an outside force created it
 
I have no idea where you live and what your social condition is.
I live in the hood. These are the reasons for the crime on increase here, and it is exponential. trailers handy for transporting stolen goods are also being stolen.

And the bravery of the criminals is something never seen or even considered 5 years ago. Gangs of teenagers are just going into jewellers and electrical shops in broad daylight, ignoring the CCTV , smashing shops up and taking what they want.

And yes role play and video games are having a huge influence on the un matured mind. A huge crime on the increase here is stealing cars, using them for crime, then burning them . This happens on average at least 3 times a week, the ratio goes up on the weekend and in school holidays. And the perps being arrested for this are youths.

I have not said anything about atheism, because it does not matter, anyone can become influenced by the rule of criminal activity and anyone can become influenced by drug addiction.

Gone in sixty seconds has a lot to answer for in relation to car theft. but you know , the kids are breaking into houses while people are sleeping, getting the car keys and driving off with them. or hiding in roofs until people go to work, then taking spare keys and cars left home. If they take the spare keys, they come back and steal the cars that night or shortly thereafter.

Its become such a problem here, Facebook is full of ridicule for the crooks that take cars over about 7 years old. woe betide the car crook who takes an older car, he or she draws down the ridicule of victim and crim alike. Especially when the car is being thrashed around town, police give chase, the air wings are frequently up in the air nowadays for this. , and the car just breaks down!

Then of course the crooks take off on foot. A lot of these crims have no intelligence about their crimes because they are so young.
 
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upant said:
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Freddy:
And yes, it is a societal norm. Exactly correct. So we all agree that stealing is wrong. Believers and unbelievers alike. Whodda thunk! And we call stealing immoral. If we all thought it was perfectly ok we wouldn’t.
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but we don’t believe that, look at the sanctuary cities. look at the shoplifting rules, look at abortion. we don’t have societal norms any more.
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You are pointing out exceptions. Which prove the rule. The sky isn’t falling, upant.
 
GiftofMercy said:
I have no idea where you live and what your social condition is.
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I live in an affluent part of the city. But I am not exempt from those who want to consider themselves exempt from the normal rules of accepted society. As I said earlier, we had a break in a few days ago. But do I then claim that society is collapsing about my ears? Good grief no.

It was exceptional behaviour. Just my bad luck. Nobody got hurt. Lost some items for which we have an emotional attachment but that’s it. It was exceptional behaviour. It isn’t the norm. Almost everyone would consider it to be abnormal.

If you live in a neighbourhood where there is a lot of crime then what you are seeing is a greater proportion of people not accepting what the vast majority consider to be societal norms. It doesn’t mean that the norms are changing or different. There isn’t a society on the planet who thinks that stealing is perfectly acceptable. Even people who steal for a living would agree. They just consider themselves exempt.
 
Freddy said:
I live in an affluent part of the city.
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Guess what, the crooks from my end of town go to your end of town to get the good cars. They won’t find good cars here, not your new model ford or BMW or other luxury car.

They steal cars to go to your neck of the woods to steal better cars there 🙂

did I claim society is collapsing? Nope, its just a downward spiral into a lawless society, a desensitised society. Will it collapse, well if you want your cars safe, time to build a fort around it.

It is not exceptional behaviour here, Its not bad luck. And being Catholic we should not be engaging in measures of luck,

And if I live here and you live there, that is my point. Put the stats down, put the theory down, and look up, look around, look at whats going on. The Mexican Drug Cartels are creating havoc in many western countries. Drug addicts don’t care for societal norms, They care for the next hit.

As this spreads, so will the level of crime. Its just a matter of time. Unless the drug cartels are closed down. And that won’t happen any time soon, considering the son of that crim was arrested, released and then the policeman who arrested him was shot over 150 times in the last 48 hours. Wasn’t just shot dead , shot 150 times.

And I forgot to mention silly youth, after playing role play games and video games who think it would be fun to go steal your new car , thrash it around a bit, do a few burglaries in it, then burn it. For thrills.
 
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Frankie65 said:
How about we look at the abortion rate per atheist rate?
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There’s an argument that the position taken by many of those who are against abortion is religiously based. Perhaps we could look at the abortion rate of those whose religion dictates it to be a mortal sin.

Maybe the problem is not an increase in those who don’t believe in God but those who are losing their connection with their religion.

What do you think?
 
Which is why I shared this documentary about suicide. Suicide…an ultimate violence again life is on the rise.

Abortion…suicide both dramatically on the rise.
 
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Freddy said:
I hear your cri de coeur. But it has nothing to do with the op.
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the OP asks is there an increase in crime coincident with an increase in apostasy, atheism, in the world.

I answer NO, I answer there is no correlation between increase in atheism and increase in crime. And then I give my reasons for increase in crime.

continue explaining to me why you deny that society is becoming increasingly desensitised. I am all ears 🙂
 
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Freddy said:
Maybe the problem is not an increase in those who don’t believe in God but those who are losing their connection with their religion.

What do you think?
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Both Freddy but I suspect the two are connected
 
Aquinas11 said:
If there is no “objective” ethical system, you couldn’t even objectively say “there is no…” or “meaningless” or “cannot be answered” since all of those require an objective ethical framework
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Sorry, you confuse epistemology with ethics.
 
Ok. So atheist countries massive rate of abortion.
Catholic countries tiny rate of abortion.
And I mean Catholic countries where the Catholics actually believe in God. Many ‘Catholics’ are practical atheists.
 
I’m not sure it is so straightforward as that. Show me your data!
 
I was raised atheist and I managed to avoid jail.

Shocking I know.

I am now a Christian and my morals and values are still the same with one difference. God is now in the picture. My lifestyle didn’t change all that much.
 
It’s all available pro life websites.
China
North Korea
Russia (not so bad now as they are more influenced by orthodox…)

Compare with
Malta
Poland
Ireland

Pro life websites are led by God’s Holy Spirit as all the saints and Holy Mother church teaches that abortion is abominable to God
 
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