Increase of Atheists around the world, increase of crime any coincidence?

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I will say that Ireland is now a country of practical atheists. Two thirds voted for abortion and two thirds for same sex marriage. They probably still call themselves Catholic.

Abortion was non existent until very recently. Watch it now go through the roof
 
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I find it fascinating that in most of these posts, they do not question the assertion that world wide crime rates have been going up. A few posters pointed out that crime rates have varied up and down, but the long term trend is down. These posters have been largely ignored, I guess because that fact is boring, and it’s more exciting to talk about whether atheism leads to crime.
 
See, that’s the problem with the “no true scotsman” reasoning. If you define “true christian” countries as countries with low abortion rates, then it is tautologically true that christian countries will have low abortion rates.
 
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You are pointing out exceptions. Which prove the rule. The sky isn’t falling, upant.
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these aren’t exceptions, look at a map of sanctuary cities. catch and release is the law of the land, abortion is 60,000,000 plus and growing daily, anti-fa riots are across the country
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I am pretty sure that abortion rates have been trending down for quite some time here in the US.
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there may be some juggling of the numbers here, they don’t count chemical abortions and self abortions which are both supposedly on the rise. this was pointed out in another thread.
 
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I am pretty sure that abortion rates have been trending down for quite some time here in the US.
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Seems that way in numbers only because of increased use of optional abortifacients such as morning after pill and contraception.

The world is facing in the direction of the largest violence to humanity via abortions and assisted suicide. All this stems from atheism or some form of atheism or anti Christ.
 
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See, that’s the problem with the “no true scotsman” reasoning. If you define “true christian” countries as countries with low abortion rates, then it is tautologically true that christian countries will have low abortion rates.
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Person who is not atheist will not commit abortion (generally speaking)
Person who is not atheist will not commit this crime
Country containing a majority of non atheists will see low incidence of abortion
= much lower incidence of crime than country which does

Again if you do not believe in God this argument won’t work as you do not see abortion as a crime

My comment about practical atheists is nothing like ‘true Scotsman’ idea as there are no consequences to the latter. Practical atheists call themselves Catholic and behave like atheists and are about as much use to the Almighty as a chocolate teapot
 
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Person who is not atheist will not commit abortion (generally speaking)
Person who is not atheist will not commit this crime
Country containing a majority of non atheists will see low incidence of abortion
= much lower incidence of crime than country which does
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Great! So show me the data that backs those assertions up!
But you can’t, because you don’t have the data, you’ve just defined the categories in such a way that the conclusion you want will be tautological.
 
What is the point of a topic like this? Is it so a religious person can feel better about themselves by denigrating non believers? Is it just to be insulting?
 
So, I’m sorry, but you don’t actually know that abortion was massive in communist Russia and practically non existent in Catholic Ireland and still is in Catholic Poland?
 
It’s a little bit roundabout because more privileged members of society are prone to substitute out religion with atheism or agnosticism or simple apatheism, but then this first wave of privileged people (mostly white and middle or upper class) influences wider society and it starts to spread. Once that happens the negative effects on society multiply and it can laed to more crime among other things, such as the collapse of the birth rate, volunteerism plummets, people become more consumerist. Then again rather than mass crime like with Russia the results in the West might be more like society quietly dying of loneliness and meaninglessness while whimpering in private.

It’s pretty much undeniable that atheism was immensely harmful for Russia and China but people still attempt to skirt the issue and call it coincidence. Atheism/non-religion in the West comes from the bottom up but the effects are becoming more apparent with each decade and they’re definitely not good.
 
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I mean, I can cherry pick data too. Greenland has an atheism rate of less than 3%, but has the highest abortion rate in the world. Show me the dataset for abortion rate vs atheism rate for all the countries.
 
I never knew Greenland was 97% believing Christians
 
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Believing Christians.
Who understand that God abhors abortion.
If you are a Christian who does not believe that God abhors abortion and you continue in this stance despite all the evidence then you are a practical atheist.
 
You know, True scotsmen.

All you have to do is copy the abortion rates and irreligious rates into a spreadsheet, then paste the graph here.
 
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I was going to do something more interesting, like my dad’s insurance, but I’ve washed the dishes and decided to take a deep breath and return.

A recent Pew Survey, you can find it on their website , shows 87 per cent of American atheists are in favour of legal abortion.
Yes, I know this is just America. Common sense says we can extrapolate.

Your question is impossibly hard to fulfil and you know it.

A country like Ireland is apparently hugely Catholic.

But they are not believing Catholics.

Why? Because 66 per cent of those who voted, voted for abortion and same sex marriage.

The greenlanders are massively guilty of abortion so despite calling themselves Christian, they are not.

He is a Christian who follows the way of Christ.

Jesus Christ said, "lots of people on the last day will say , “Lord, Lord " but I will say to them, away with you, I know you not.”

So it will be with all those in all those countries who profess to know him but who support abortion or euthanasia.

They are as atheist as those who profess atheism ‘honestly’ (if one can put it like that).

Poland has a majority of believing Catholics, lex orandi, lex credendi, and a low rate of abortion.

Cuba atheist, high rate, , North Korea, atheist and communist, high rate, England, nominally Christian, high rate. Ireland Catholic and believing in until about 50 years ago low rate but will from now on be very high rate. The figures are easy to find.

That’s all I have to say. Be convinced or don’t be.

Now it’s 6pm here and time for prayer. Good bye
 
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Now it’s 6pm here and time for prayer. Good bye
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You do realise that you have defined yourself into a win-win situation. If someone doesn’t have an abortion then they are almost certainly Christian. If someone does, then they are most certainly not.

QED.
 
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It’s all available pro life websites.
China
North Korea
Russia (not so bad now as they are more influenced by orthodox…)

Compare with
Malta
Poland
Ireland
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Ummm abortion is illegal in Malta and until recently Ireland. So instead they fly/drive to a country that allows it to preform the procedure. I am Maltese, lots of people get abortions. Just not in the country. Those stats don’t reflect that.

Look at the sky high rates of abortion in the very catholic region of South America (specifically Argentina, Brazil and Chile). Most of europe have higher rates also.
 
But it wasn’t non existant.

Women just flew to London on a 30 minute flight to get the procedure done there.

Don’t try and claim they had low rate, their estimated numbers almost matched Wales and beat Scotland.
 
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