Incredible disrespect shown toward Pope in Barcelona

[LCMS_No_More]

Hey man. I don’t really know what to say to comfort you because our beliefs differ.

Well, I did come up hearing sermons about “sabre tooth faggots” and the like.

I can feel your pain though and I will pray for you.

Thanks. I need a lot of prayer.

I’m sorry that people ask you “why aren’t you married?” It’s none of their business.

Well, it’s sometimes “do you have kids?” and other questions like that. Considering how loathsome I see myself, the fact that someone would ask ME if I had offspring is rather inconceivable. I don’t see anyone wanting to combine their genes with mine…God only knows what would come out from that.

I’m also sorry that you feel like you need to stay in the closet. I can’t sit here and tell you in good faith to come out. That is a personal choice that someone needs to make all on their own. I do want to say though that many people are very accepting of homosexuals. Including Catholics.

Among most people, I could care less who knows. My family knows, my co-workers know. It’s people in the Church I have to take care with.

You CAN have a normal social life though. Why don’t you think you can??

Most people my age are married with families, so I’m always the odd man out. When people talk about their lives since I have no family, I just have to sit there and smile and feel like a complete outsider.

Co-workers talk about their kids or their wives or husbands and I just sit there and smile. I don’t like going to Church because I feel like a freak who people will find out and shun me from any apostolate in the Church, so I stay away.

I’m very sorry that you feel your homosexuality is a curse. All I can say though is that God made you this way and He must have had a good and righteous reason to and that God does not “curse” people.

St. Paul kinda indicates that homosexuality is a curse in Romans 1:26-27, “For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful.”

Now I don’t know in what way I offended God in order to deserve this curse, but apparently, He’s angry with me for something or He wouldn’t have dumped this curse on me.

I can’t really help you with the last part of your post because like I said our views differ. But I don’t think the Church says that gay people are “unholy”. That would be like saying a gay person can never go to Heaven because they are not holy. The Church does not teach that. The Church teaches that everyone is a child of God and all have the opportunity to go to Heaven.

What I said is that since homosexual people aren’t welcomed into the priesthood or religious life and they can’t get married, that leaves one relegated to the non-consecrated perpetual single state, or unholy (non-consecrated) loneliness (single state) forever (perpetual).

 

[Adam1986]

Well, I did come up hearing sermons about “sabre tooth faggots” and the like.

I’m very sorry to hear that. Are you a convert? Sorry to ask, but I never heard of a priest using that horrible “word”. But I have heard of ministers using it.

Thanks. I need a lot of prayer.
You’re welcome.

Well, it’s sometimes “do you have kids?” and other questions like that. Considering how loathsome I see myself, the fact that someone would ask ME if I had offspring is rather inconceivable. I don’t see anyone wanting to combine their genes with mine…God only knows what would come out from that.
You are not loathsome! You are a child of God who was created in His image. He loves you unconditionally. Please do not think of yourself in that way. You are a special and unique person who is loved by God and man alike.

Among most people, I could care less who knows. My family knows, my co-workers know. It’s people in the Church I have to take care with.
Well, I am glad that you are out to some people. It really does make things easier to have that burden lifted. Do you go to an extremely religious Church? Because like I said, many Catholics are accepting. Especially since you are chaste.

Most people my age are married with families, so I’m always the odd man out. When people talk about their lives since I have no family, I just have to sit there and smile and feel like a complete outsider.
Oh. Well, you can look at it this way. There are many people your age who are divorced and in kind of the same boat as you. You are not alone. There are also other chaste gay Catholics out there as well.

Co-workers talk about their kids or their wives or husbands and I just sit there and smile. I don’t like going to Church because I feel like a freak who people will find out and shun me from any apostolate in the Church, so I stay away.
**I’m very sorry that you feel uncomfortable going to Church. I actually think that may be a demonic influence trying to fill your head with fear so you don’t go to Mass.

I don’t think people will think you are a freak. If anything I think they will applaud you for being chaste and gay. I could be wrong though. You know your particular Church better then me.

For what it’s worth, I go to Church often with my boyfriend and we are not shunned. **

St. Paul kinda indicates that homosexuality is a curse in Romans 1:26-27, “For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful.”

Now I don’t know in what way I offended God in order to deserve this curse, but apparently, He’s angry with me for something or He wouldn’t have dumped this curse on me.
God is not angry with you. He loves you!

What I said is that since homosexual people aren’t welcomed into the priesthood or religious life and they can’t get married, that leaves one relegated to the non-consecrated perpetual single state, or unholy (non-consecrated) loneliness (single state) forever (perpetual).

Oh. OK I didn’t know you equated unholy to be non-consecrated

 

[PetersKeys]

hmm, tough question - love your neighbor or execute people for kissing?

do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. - mat 7:1-2

just a thought.

read the rest of the verse!

 

[Adam1986]

read the rest of the verse!

What rest? The rest just says the same thing.

3"Why do you (C)look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

4"(D)Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye?

5"You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

6"(E)Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

That is all that is about judging others in that verse. Please explain what you mean?

 

[PetersKeys]

Adam1986:
I notice how you conveniently ignored the OT patriarchs who fought in war in the name of God. Or Elijahs killing of the Pagan priests

There were also saints who fought in the crusades.

The bible is not against killing. It is against killing of the innocent. The guilty however is a different issue.

St. Thomas More dealt with heretics in a good way in my opinion. While he did no punish them himself. He sent them properly to state authorities.

These people(although the bible calls sodomites “beasts”), maybe beasts is a better word for them. If these beasts did this in the days of St. Thomas do you think they would be let off lightly in such a vile crude attempt to incite scandal? If they did this in the days of Eliaj or Moses would they be let off? If they "kissed’ and groped each other in front of the Ark of the Covenant would Moses just stand by and do nothing?

Remember the act that they are doing themselves the bible calls for death penalty. But to do the act in such a sacrilegious and scandalous way makes it even more severe.

5"You hypocrite, **first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
**
6"(E)Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

because the quote never says not the judge. It says not to judge hypocritcally. Like a fornicator telling another person who fornicates not to fornicate. Or a homosexual telling another person that they don’t know the bible or aren’t a good catholic(thats a common one, Adam) A person who has studied God’s moral law and the bible can judge on certain issues. As it says to “reproke, rebuke, EXHORT” in timothy. Do not give what is holy to dogs. How can you consider someone a dog without judging them?

 

[LCMS_No_More]

I notice how you conveniently ignored the OT patriarchs who fought in war in the name of God. Or Elijahs killing of the Pagan priests

There were also saints who fought in the crusades.

The bible is not against killing. It is against killing of the innocent. The guilty however is a different issue.

St. Thomas More dealt with heretics in a good way in my opinion. While he did no punish them himself. He sent them properly to state authorities.

These people(although the bible calls sodomites “beasts”), maybe beasts is a better word for them. If these beasts did this in the days of St. Thomas do you think they would be let off lightly in such a vile crude attempt to incite scandal? If they did this in the days of Eliaj or Moses would they be let off? If they "kissed’ and groped each other in front of the Ark of the Covenant would Moses just stand by and do nothing?

Remember the act that they do doing themselves the bible calls for death penalty. But to do the act in such a sacrilegious and scandalous way makes it even more severe.

because the quote never says not the judge. A person who has studied God’s moral law and the bible can judge on certain issues. As it says to “reproke, rebuke, EXHORT” in timothy. Do not give what is holy to dogs. How can you consider someone a dog without judging them?

Um…wow. I don’t think I’ve ever read something so bloodthirsty by any kind of Christian, let alone a Catholic, before.

 

[PetersKeys]

Um…wow. I don’t think I’ve ever read something so bloodthirsty by any kind of Christian, let alone a Catholic, before.

humanism

and yet, you have dealt with none of the issues I brought up.

Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. - Romans 1:32

Have you ever read Hammer of the Witches?

 

[LCMS_No_More]

humanism

and yet, you have dealt with none of the issues I brought up.

Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. - Romans 1:32

So, what you’re saying is that, I, a person who is cursed with same-sex attractions, and has fallen into said sin from time to time, deserve to be put to death. Am I correct?

Would you also pray novenas that I burn in hell, too?

 

[PetersKeys]

So, what you’re saying is that, I, a person who is cursed with same-sex attractions, and has fallen into said sin from time to time, deserve to be put to death. Am I correct?

Would you also pray novenas that I burn in hell, too?

nope. I never said that. However open, vile, explicit heresy, with a purpose to incite scandal. Like committing sacrilege in the open. Should be punished by authorities.

Of course they should all be given a chance to repent of their actions. However I think people who do something like this should be put into the “Question”(hands tied behind back up in the air) as punishment.

This act is akin to when Antious Ephihanes sacrificed a pig on the Jewish altar. Did Judas Maccabees sit back and do nothing??

 

[RobbyS]

This…sickens me. Not even the action itself really, but the incredible disrespect shown towards this man is disgusting. I understand having your reasons to disagree with the Church on the issue of gay marriage, but this man is the Pope! Show some respect. This is a classless display by these people, done only to inflame Catholics. How is this supposed to help their cause?

And the comments below the article! How sickening.

gawker.com/5683768/welcome-to-barcelona-pope-benedict

St.Paul spoke of a kind of madness. It is not "gays"alone who are caught up in it. The oldpagan spirit bursts out, and we see a kind of Saturnalia spirit. here we have people running off a spiritual cliff.

 

[Ichthys4121517]

nope. I never said that. However open, vile, explicit heresy, with a purpose to incite scandal. Like committing sacrilege in the open. Should be punished by authorities.

Of course they should all be given a chance to repent of their actions. However I think people who do something like this should be put into the “Question”(hands tied behind back up in the air) as punishment.

This act is akin to when Antious Ephihanes sacrificed a pig on the Jewish altar. Did Judas Maccabees sit back and do nothing??

What you are asking for is basically a theocracy, which, judging by the strong anti-Catholic sentiments of America (at the very least), can never happen. That is, until we find some way to convert everybody, which is nigh impossible when you consider how hardened of heart some non-Catholics are. There’s nothing wrong with that, exactly; I would never lose my faith, so it only makes sense that people of other religions would be so attached to their faiths. There’s nothing we can do for those people’s souls except pray.

My point is that the modern attitude is one of total liberty, so at this point your ideal justice system can never be. Perhaps it is for the best; the more the faith is challenged, the stronger it gets.

 

[PetersKeys]

What you are asking for is basically a theocracy, which, judging by the strong anti-Catholic sentiments of America (at the very least), can never happen. That is, until we find some way to convert everybody, which is nigh impossible when you consider how hardened of heart some non-Catholics are. There’s nothing wrong with that, exactly; I would never lose my faith, so it only makes sense that people of other religions would be so attached to their faiths. There’s nothing we can do for those people’s souls except pray.

My point is that the modern attitude is one of total liberty, so at this point your ideal justice system can never be. Perhaps it is for the best; the more the faith is challenged, the stronger it gets.

no, church desecration can be punished by the authorities. Interrupting masses. Stealing the hosts. Causing incitement or riots, etc.

I think such issues, especially when it involves the successor of Peter, should be taken into consideration. Many times, the roads are rented out, and thus under a private authority. That is why you cannot disrupt a parade, even though it is in a public area.

We really need more laymen like Judas Maccabees. Stand up for what you believe. Don’t let others drag your faith into the dirt while mocking you. Jesus says to give them your other cheek, meaning the other side, akin to meaning “if you wanna hit me, at least hit me like a man”

 

[portarica]

I notice how you conveniently ignored the OT patriarchs who fought in war in the name of God. Or Elijahs killing of the Pagan priests

There were also saints who fought in the crusades.

The bible is not against killing. It is against killing of the innocent. The guilty however is a different issue.

St. Thomas More dealt with heretics in a good way in my opinion. While he did no punish them himself. He sent them properly to state authorities.

These people(although the bible calls sodomites “beasts”), maybe beasts is a better word for them. If these beasts did this in the days of St. Thomas do you think they would be let off lightly in such a vile crude attempt to incite scandal? If they did this in the days of Eliaj or Moses would they be let off? If they "kissed’ and groped each other in front of the Ark of the Covenant would Moses just stand by and do nothing?

Remember the act that they are doing themselves the bible calls for death penalty. But to do the act in such a sacrilegious and scandalous way makes it even more severe.

because the quote never says not the judge. It says not to judge hypocritcally. Like a fornicator telling another person who fornicates not to fornicate. Or a homosexual telling another person that they don’t know the bible or aren’t a good catholic(thats a common one, Adam) A person who has studied God’s moral law and the bible can judge on certain issues. As it says to “reproke, rebuke, EXHORT” in timothy. Do not give what is holy to dogs. How can you consider someone a dog without judging them?

Don’t you think your comments about homosexuals telling another person they don’t know the bible isn’t the best example to be using given the makeup of our church’s hierarchy?

Peace

 

[Havard]

*And it came to pass, when the days of his assumption were accomplishing, that he steadfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem. And he sent messengers before his face; and going, they entered into a city of the Samaritans, to prepare for him. And they received him not, because his face was of one going to Jerusalem.

And when his disciples James and John had seen this, they said: Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them? And turning, he rebuked them, saying: You know not of what spirit you are. The Son of man came not to destroy souls, but to save.* - Luke 9:51-56

 

[Captain_America]

It’s pretty clear to me that a good portion of Peterskey’s views here are REACTIVE—he is reacting to some pretty well-known negative things done by activists. The Act Up kinds of stunt tend to be divisive and create hatred.

 

[Mark77]

**Incredible disrespect was shown to Jesus Christ, our Lord & Savior, as the scum murdered Him by Crucifying Him!

Jesus taught us that Love is total sacrifice for those we love!!!**

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Pecatoribus!

mark

 

[Adam1986]

I notice how you conveniently ignored the OT patriarchs who fought in war in the name of God. Or Elijahs killing of the Pagan priests
Fighting in a war in the name of God is VERY different then you saying someone should be killed for KISSING. Also those men were following the “old laws”. We as Catholics should follow Jesus’ laws. Didn’t He tell Peter to put down his sword?

There were also saints who fought in the crusades.
And you think the crusades were justified as well!? Killing people just because they weren’t Catholic!?

The bible is not against killing. It is against killing of the innocent. The guilty however is a different issue.
**So being guilty of kissing is a crime that you feel is punishable by a horrible torturous death. KISSING. **

St. Thomas More dealt with heretics in a good way in my opinion. While he did no punish them himself. He sent them properly to state authorities.
So in other words you think it’s a good idea to just stand by and let MURDERS happen just as long as you don’t do it yourself?

These people(although the bible calls sodomites “beasts”), maybe beasts is a better word for them. If these beasts did this in the days of St. Thomas do you think they would be let off lightly in such a vile crude attempt to incite scandal?
**They kissed! They didn’t expose themselves or have sex. All they did was kiss! That’s not vile and and crude.

Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t support what they did even in the slightest, but it wasn’t vile and crude. It was just extremely disrespectful to ALL Catholics and the Pope of course.**

If they did this in the days of Eliaj or Moses would they be let off? If they "kissed’ and groped each other in front of the Ark of the Covenant would Moses just stand by and do nothing?
**They didn’t grope each other. Where did you see groping? All I saw was them kissing.
Also in that day, if a woman was caught having adultery in front of the Ark, the same thing would have happened. Would you agree with that?

Also just because people did things back in time DOESN’T MEAN IT WAS RIGHT! These men were not God and they made mistakes, like killing people who didn’t deserve it!**

Remember the act that they are doing themselves the bible calls for death penalty. But to do the act in such a sacrilegious and scandalous way makes it even more severe.
So you think EVERY GAY MAN AND WOMAN SHOULD BE KILLED???

because the quote never says not the judge. It says not to judge hypocritcally.
Jesus said not to judge and to leave that up to His Father. Enough said.

Like a fornicator telling another person who fornicates not to fornicate. Or a homosexual telling another person that they don’t know the bible or aren’t a good catholic(thats a common one, Adam)
I didn’t say you don’t know the Bible or that you aren’t a good Catholic. I asked you “what kind of Catholic are you?” because of your vile, crude and disgusting comment.

A person who has studied God’s moral law and the bible can judge on certain issues.
**NO THEY CAN’T. No one can judge except for God alone. It says that in the Bible. You saying one can judge is putting that person into the category of GOD. That’s a very dangerous and PRIDEFUL thing to do. **

As it says to “reproke, rebuke, EXHORT” in timothy. Do not give what is holy to dogs. How can you consider someone a dog without judging them?

**Honestly, I am worried for you. I really am. I’m NOT judging you only saying that the actions that I have seen you display on this board worry me.

The way you have written some posts come off as angry, judgmental, and prideful.

You may very well not be that way in real life. I don’t know you so I won’t even consider judging you, but just what I’ve read on this thread upsets me.

And I’m not the only one. Maybe you should take that into consideration.

Anyway I am going to pray for you with my boyfriend. We’ll also pray for you when we go to Mass.

Maybe I’ll even ask some friends and family to pray for you as well. I won’t say who you are, that wouldn’t be right, just ask them to say a special prayer for someone on a message board.

I wish you the best. I hope your heart is filled with the love of Jesus Christ and if it isn’t I hope you find that love and cherish it, as I do.


God Bless!
**

 

[AngryAtheist8]

St. Thomas More had no problem with punishment for heresy. Or Bishop Bonner. And he Thomas More was a saint…

sisters of perpetual indulgence

Those group of male nuns in San Francisco. Sisters of Perpetual indulgence. Openly desecrated a eucharist

Oh I’m sorry, better tell Moses he was insane for slaughtering the midianites or Elijah for slaughtering Pagan Priests. Or Joshua. Or David. Or Solomon. or Omri. Or Jepthah. Or Barak. Or Saul. Or Maccabees, Or Gideon. Or Samson. Or Nimrod. Or St Thomas More. Or Robert Bellamarie. Or Bishop Bonner. … Or God that he was insane for sending the Deluge and destroying Sodom and Gommorah or the plagues of Egypt.

Maybe you should tell God he’s insane for prescribing death penalty for homosexuality…

For hundreds of years heresy has been purged through different sorts and ways. Its better one man die than that man to send hundreds of souls to hell by his actions.

Yes, if the Bible is anything close to historically accurate the ancient Israelites were not nice people (it might be more accurate to call them bloodthirsty). They actually seemed to act much like Muslims living under Sharia Law do today (no surprise there, since Judaism was one of Muhammad’s inspirations).

Yet conservative Christians who propose a return to Old Testament law also seem to be the most opposed to Islam.

Strange.

 

[AngryAtheist8]

The bible is not against killing. It is against killing of the innocent. The guilty however is a different issue.

But according to Catholicism we are all guilty (and deserving of death and damnation).
Stained by Original Sin.

 

[Havard]

Yes, if the Bible is anything close to historically accurate the ancient Israelites were not nice people (it might be more accurate to call them bloodthirsty). They actually seemed to act much like Muslims living under Sharia Law do today (no surprise there, since Judaism was one of Muhammad’s inspirations).

Yet conservative Christians who propose a return to Old Testament law also seem to be the most opposed to Islam.

Strange.

Isn’t the former group an oxymoron?