Indiana diocese ordered to pay $1.95M in IVF-dismissal case [CWN]

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Following over 51 hours of jury deliberation, a federal district court has ordered the Diocese of Fort Wayne ? South Bend to pay a former Catholic school teacher $1.95 million in …

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I hope the diocese wins their appeal. :mad: Did I miss out on the news that Catholic Church schools are the only schools required to renew contracts?
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
The Diocese had no legal basis for its actions.
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So Catholicism has no legal right to exist? IVF goes against Catholic teaching. The essence of a Catholic school is that it should reflect what Catholic teaching is and should be. The teacher doesn’t want to live by that and the school should not be legally compelled to go against its teachings.
 
saintjohnxxiii said:
The essence of a Catholic school is that it should reflect what Catholic teaching is and should be. The teacher doesn’t want to live by that and the school should not be legally compelled to go against its teachings.
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One of the important takeaways from this Diocese’s experience in the course of this case is that it cannot claim a ministerial exception to the law while simultaneously defining the employee as a “lay person.” If the Diocese wants cookie-cutter Catholics for teachers then it should fill those positions with actual ministers.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
One of the important takeaways from this Diocese’s experience in the course of this case is that it cannot claim a ministerial exception to the law while simultaneously defining the employee as a “lay person.” If the Diocese wants cookie-cutter Catholics for teachers then it should fill those positions with actual ministers.
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No the more important takeaway is that this child conceived through IVF was the 2nd time she did this. She was told after the first time and still did it.

I sincerely hope the court overturns this atrocity of justice.
 
saintjohnxxiii said:
No the more important takeaway is that this child conceived through IVF was the 2nd time she did this. She was told after the first time and still did it.

I sincerely hope the court overturns this atrocity of justice.
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The only atrocity of justice is that employers have any say over the private lives of their employees.
 
EmperorNapoleon said:
The only atrocity of justice is that employers have any say over the private lives of their employees.
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Surely you mean to qualify this? See, I happen to think that the creation of another human being isn’t akin to, say, playing a video game or something. Surely you wouldn’t object to the Church firing employees over child abuse? Is your criteria simply whether or not something is civilly legal? I’m not baiting; what you said seems to be rather broad.
 
Here’s a term that I think CAF members should know about when responding to anti-Catholic posts on this and other subjects.

It’s called “brinking,” and I think it is very common on the internet. Don’t let yourself become a victim of this.

Brinking is a nastier form of trolling, and, like trolling, is intended to inflict pain on the victim. It relies on the existence of moderation in a forum, and plays games with it in order to hurt others.

A brinker is trying to bait his victim into a rage, while staying just within the rules himself, and then report his victim to the moderator and so get the victim reprimanded by the moderator.

The usual technique is to posting material which on the face of it is bland or falls within the moderation policy but is actually very insulting to the person being brinked. A successful brink, to the brinker, is when his enemy gets banned. A very successful brink is when the brinker can get his victim to apologise for what the brinker made him do.

I have always thought of the brinker as the most evil of posters. A troll may be relatively harmless. But a brinker means harm. You can’t accidentally brink. You have to be cold-blooded to do this. It is, in online terms, the equivalent of murder, I think.

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EmperorNapoleon said:
The only atrocity of justice is that employers have any say over the private lives of their employees.
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You have to be kidding. My company fires people for using drugs on their own time. Even the National Felon League fines and suspends players for doing drugs. You’re not a troll are you?
 
Good_Tidings said:
There is a difference between an agnostic and an atheist.
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In addition, the poster in question has been a member of this forum for years and has contributed thousands of posts. He is hardly a troll. He is not a Catholic so of course he doesn’t agree with the Church on all issues. Are we going to jump on every non-catholic who comes here expressing a different view point? If so, how will we ever effectively evangelize?
 
I’m not sure what kinds of policies the diocese has in its employment contracts. Does anyone have that info?

I think that if a Catholic school wants to claim that teachers are ministers, teaching Catholic religious values to their students, then they need to limit employment to practicing Catholics and include clauses listing specific actions that would not be allowed (e.g., IVF, same-sex civil marriages, etc.)

However, I think that the first time they hire a non-Catholic or a non-practicing Catholic teacher, they throw their argument out the window.
 
She violated her contract. But the sad thing in the story is that the principal didn’t seem to understand the problem in the beginning.
In the contract Herx signed, it stated, ”Acknowledging and accepting the religious and moral nature of the Church’s teaching mission, the undersigned agrees to conduct herself or himself at all times, professionally and personally, in accordance with the episcopal teaching authority, law and governance of the Church in this Diocese.”
It adds that the “bishop or his designee” are ultimately responsible for resolving “charges of immoral behavior or of conduct violative of the Teachings of the Church.”
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According to Patrick Reilly, president of the Cardinal Newman Society, the case “never should have gone to trial.”
“There is no religious freedom if a court or a jury can decide for the Catholic Church what is morally appropriate for those who are hired to teach in a Catholic school,” he said.
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Read more: ncregister.com/daily-news/diocese-to-lose-2-million-in-teachers-ivf-lawsuit/#ixzz3NBOsDd00
 
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