Indulgences - What's the Deal?

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Ok, so I would say that for my age I’m very well-learned in Catholicism, apologetics, and what my faith teaches and why.

I’m clueless on indulgences! Upon initial glance it seems like the medieval “you give me ____ I’ll forgive you this much sin” that anti-Catholic Church fans love bringing up.

It just seems weird/superstitious to me that Pope Francis offered an indulgence to people for following a twitter feed. (and the other stuff that usually goes along with an indulgence of course.)

Isn’t an indulgence a release from the temporal punishment of sin? That just seems very medieval and superstitious to me.

Anyway, I’m hoping somebody can clear this up for me.
 
Ok, so I would say that for my age I’m very well-learned in Catholicism, apologetics, and what my faith teaches and why.

I’m clueless on indulgences! Upon initial glance it seems like the medieval “you give me ____ I’ll forgive you this much sin” that anti-Catholic Church fans love bringing up.

It just seems weird/superstitious to me that Pope Francis offered an indulgence to people for following a twitter feed. (and the other stuff that usually goes along with an indulgence of course.)

Isn’t an indulgence a release from the temporal punishment of sin? That just seems very medieval and superstitious to me.

Anyway, I’m hoping somebody can clear this up for me.
This is an oversimplification, but it gets to the heart of the matter, IMO :

If I’m throwing a baseball and break your window (sin) – then ask your forgiveness (as we do in confession) – you forgive me (As Christians should, and as God does in confession), someone still has to pick up the tab for the broken window (Temporal punishment due to sin).

Indulgences are reparation(s) for the harm that sin has caused (cf. St. Luke 12:59).
 
Yes, please look at the other two threads. The media is painting this as Francis saying “Follow me on Twitter and I’ll forgive your sins.” That is a gross misinterpretation of both what Francis is doing and what indulgences are.

I would encourage you to read the section in the Catechism on indulgences for more background info:

CCC 1471-1479

And here’s the Vatican News story about what Francis is doing that puts things in the proper perspective:

Pope Francis grants indulgences for World Youth Day
 
The best way to understand indulgences is to follow their development. The doctrine of indulgences is linked with the doctrine of the communion Saints. The elements of this doctrine are all biblical and were present in the early Church East and West–it is more obvious in the penitential practice of the early Church, but it is still applicable today of course.

First, it bears pointing out that there are three parts to repentance that have been defined by the Church–contrition, confession, and bringing forth fruits worthy of repentance (this last part is often called “satisfaction.”) It is the third part that is related to indulgences. Here are some biblical references to this last part (note: the DRV which I am citing uses the phrase “do penance” or the word “penance” in the place many translations use “repent” and “repentance” but the meaning is the same):

Acts 26:20 But to them first that are at Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and unto all the country of Judea, and to the Gentiles did I preach, that they should do penance, and turn to God, doing works worthy of penance. (see also Matt. 3:8, Luke 3:8 )

Now, there are various ways by which one brings forth fruit worthy of repentance or, in other words, makes satisfaction for sins. This is done through prayer, acts of charity, and self-denial, etc but also suffering through the chastisments that God may send Himself.

Heb. 12:[5] And you have forgotten the consolation, which speaketh to you, as unto children, saying: My son, neglect not the discipline of the Lord; neither be thou wearied whilst thou art rebuked by him. [6] For whom the Lord loveth, he chastiseth; and he scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. [7] Persevere under discipline. God dealeth with you as with his sons; for what son is there, whom the father doth not correct? [8] But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are made partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons. [9] Moreover we have had fathers of our flesh, for instructors, and we reverenced them: shall we not much more obey the Father of spirits, and live? [10] And they indeed for a few days, according to their own pleasure, instructed us: but he, for our profit, that we might receive his sanctification. [11] Now all chastisement for the present indeed seemeth not to bring with it joy, but sorrow: but afterwards it will yield, to them that are exercised by it, the most peaceable fruit of justice.

The Church from the very beginning also prescribed such acts of satisfaction. One common one, early on, was cutting the sinner off from the sacraments for a period of time (this is still common in the East and for certain more serious sins in the West). St. Paul prescribes such satisfaction for the incestuous man in Corinth:

1 Cor. 5:[3] I indeed, absent in body, but present in spirit, have already judged, as though I were present, him that hath so done, [4] In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, you being gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus; [5] To deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Later, the Church adopted other forms of satisfaction in different times and places many taking months or even years to complete. For example, someone who committed a very grievous sin might have to live a strict disciplined life in a monastery for a period of time (this is why prisons are often called penitentiaries, from the root “penitent.”)

If someone were to die before bringing forth worthy fruits, that process was and is understood to be finished in the afterlife as the Council of Florence explained:

Also, if truly penitent people die in the love of God before they have made satisfaction for acts and omissions by worthy fruits of repentance, their souls are cleansed after death by cleansing pains;

An indulgence is a remittance of this need to make satisfaction either partially or fully. St. Paul granted such a pardon to the same incestuous man in Corinth:

2 Cor. 2 :[6] To him who is such a one, this rebuke is sufficient, which is given by many: [7] So that on the contrary, you should rather forgive him and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one be swallowed up with overmuch sorrow. [8] Wherefore, I beseech you, that you would confirm your charity towards him. [9] For to this end also did I write, that I may know the experiment of you, whether you be obedient in all things. [10] And to whom you have pardoned any thing, I also. For, what I have pardoned, if I have pardoned any thing, for your sakes have I done it in the person of Christ.

It should be noted that during certain periods, partial indulgences were delineated by periods of time like days or years to correspond to prevailing penitential disciplines, but today they are generally called “partial” only and their value is relative to the act on which the granting of the indulgence is conditioned.

Anyway, since the need to make satisfaction extends into the afterlife, it followed logically that the indulgence would also.

Matt. 18:18 Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in heaven.

(see also Matt. 16:18)

Otherwise, if one were loosed on earth, but it did not take effect in the afterlife, the indulgence would be a cruelty deceiving the penitent into thinking he had brought forth sufficient fruits when he had not.

continued…
 
continued from above…

Nowadays in the West, since prescribed penances are generally meant to simply turn the penitent back to God through prayer rather than equal the total fruits worthy of repentance, the focus of indulgences is more on their effects in the afterlife.

So how is this related to the communion of Saints? It is from the communion Saints that indulgences have their efficacy. Since we are all one Body, the over-abundant satisfaction made by some members can be applied to other members for whom it is lacking. St. Paul rejoices in this fact:

Col. 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church: Col. 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church:
(see also 1 Cor. 12:26).

Those Saints (canonized and unknown) along with Christ Himself who have brought forth fruits far exceeding their own needs for repentance are applied to the person receiving the indulgence–it is why an indulgence can be granted without derogating from God’s justice.

Anyway, I hope that helps!
 
This is an oversimplification, but it gets to the heart of the matter, IMO :

If I’m throwing a baseball and break your window (sin) – then ask your forgiveness (as we do in confession) – you forgive me (As Christians should, and as God does in confession), someone still has to pick up the tab for the broken window (Temporal punishment due to sin).

Indulgences are reparation(s) for the harm that sin has caused (cf. St. Luke 12:59).
I’m a newbie, so forgive me. I am now :confused:!

So say I am mowing the lawn and a rock goes flying and breaks my neighbors window. I, of course, apologize to the neighbor and pay the fee for repair. It’s not a sin because it was totally accidental, right?

Ok, now say I am in a terrible mood. I give in to anger and intentionally hurt a friends feelings. I go to Confession the next day and I apologize to my friend. Then I go to her house and do her garden weeding for her. I would not need an Indulgence because I went to Confession and did something in the physical world, right?

Now, say I am in a terrible mood and I give in to anger and intentionally hurt a strangers feelings. I go to confession, but I do not know the person whose feeling I hurt and cannot go and make it up to them. Is that what I would want an Indulgence for?
 
Yes, please look at the other two threads. The media is painting this as Francis saying “Follow me on Twitter and I’ll forgive your sins.” That is a gross misinterpretation of both what Francis is doing and what indulgences are.

I would encourage you to read the section in the Catechism on indulgences for more background info:

CCC 1471-1479

And here’s the Vatican News story about what Francis is doing that puts things in the proper perspective:

Pope Francis grants indulgences for World Youth Day
The media honeymoon didn’t last all that long, did it?
 
I’m a newbie, so forgive me. I am now :confused:!

So say I am mowing the lawn and a rock goes flying and breaks my neighbors window. I, of course, apologize to the neighbor and pay the fee for repair. It’s not a sin because it was totally accidental, right?

Ok, now say I am in a terrible mood. I give in to anger and intentionally hurt a friends feelings. I go to Confession the next day and I apologize to my friend. Then I go to her house and do her garden weeding for her. I would not need an Indulgence because I went to Confession and did something in the physical world, right?

Now, say I am in a terrible mood and I give in to anger and intentionally hurt a strangers feelings. I go to confession, but I do not know the person whose feeling I hurt and cannot go and make it up to them. Is that what I would want an Indulgence for?
Gidge is just offering an analogy. The purpose is to show how there are two types of consequences to sin: eternal and temporal. Using a straightforward, tangible example (like breaking a window) makes it easier to see than using examples of hurt feelings. But it’s just an analogy.

It’s not that indulgences offer a strict one-to-one reparation for the exact temporal punishments our sins incur. That is, it’s not as though we hurt someone’s feelings, offer an indulgence and then their hurt feelings magically disappear. But the punishment due to us that our action incurs would disappear for us.
 
I’m a newbie, so forgive me. I am now :confused:!

So say I am mowing the lawn and a rock goes flying and breaks my neighbors window. I, of course, apologize to the neighbor and pay the fee for repair. It’s not a sin because it was totally accidental, right?

Ok, now say I am in a terrible mood. I give in to anger and intentionally hurt a friends feelings. I go to Confession the next day and I apologize to my friend. Then I go to her house and do her garden weeding for her. I would not need an Indulgence because I went to Confession and did something in the physical world, right?

Now, say I am in a terrible mood and I give in to anger and intentionally hurt a strangers feelings. I go to confession, but I do not know the person whose feeling I hurt and cannot go and make it up to them. Is that what I would want an Indulgence for?
First of all, I am a layman and not a moral theologian, but I do know the following:

Three conditions for mortal sin:
  1. Grave matter (10 Commandments, 6 Precepts of the Church)
  2. Sufficient reflection
  3. Full consent of the will
Your first scenario would be a venial sin, if it’s even a sin at all (an accident).

Your next two scenarios treat you yourself atoning for your sin, and this is not the same as the temporal punishment due to said sins in the afterlife.

God is a God of mercy AND justice.
Each and every sin affects each and every one in the Church.
The punishment due to sin is settled by God in the afterlife, as nothing unclean can enter Heaven.

You may also want to check out the following :
amazon.com/Moral-Theology-Heribert-Jone/dp/0895554720

I hope this has been helpful. 🙂
 
Upon initial glance it seems like the medieval…

That just seems very medieval and superstitious to me.
What’s wrong with Medieval?

(And FWIW, Medieval people were hardly as superstitious as people make them out to be, just a bunch of “Enlightenment” Era lies.)
 
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