Indulgences

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Can one still obtain indulgences whil not in a state of grace?
 
If this is on the wrong sub-forum, you are obliged to remove it. 😃
 
LoyalViews said:
Not necessarily though, because with the Crucifix of St. Pius X, whoever kisses it devoutly receives an indulgence
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I would imagine that one would need to go to confession anyway even after they have done the action (what ever it may be) to receive the indulgence.
What use is even a MILLION indulgences if your in a state of mortal sin till your death…
 
This is all hypothetical, please note.

What if one can not go to confession, say what if a child commits a mortal sin?
Also, what kinds of mortal sins can a child around 11-12-13 commit, anyways?
 
LoyalViews said:
This is all hypothetical, please note.

What if one can not go to confession, say what if a child commits a mortal sin?
Also, what kinds of mortal sins can a child around 11-12-13 commit, anyways?
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It’s safe to say that most kids of the age range you gave can knowing break the 10 Commandments. Breaking those are mortal sins.
 
Marie5890 said:
It’s safe to say that most kids of the age range you gave can knowing break the 10 Commandments. Breaking those are mortal sins.
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they CAN be mortal sins. many admit of smallness of matter etc…so are venial sins.
 
LoyalViews said:
Not necessarily though, because with the Crucifix of St. Pius X, whoever kisses it devoutly receives an indulgence
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Confession is required for Plenary indulgences…not partial ones…

though i think one needs to be in state of grace for even a partial…

as for the pardon crucifix of Pius X this is an older indulgence which I do not think was renewed…

however most of what it was can still gained at the time of death…and the pious use of any blesseds crucifix is recommened but not required…though there are some conditions …such as having been in the habit of reciting some prayers during life …and if a priest is not available…

and as for the partial indulgence when kissed…this is now for the devout use of the following blessed sacramentals–Crucifix or cross. rosary, scapular or medal.
 
Bookcat said:
they CAN be mortal sins. many admit of smallness of matter etc…so are venial sins.
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I would encourage any young person of that age who has broken one of the 10 Commandments to go to Confession. 🙂

I find it disheartening how many young people stay away from the confessional or seek to justify their sins. 😦

I know of the priests who helps out at our parish has mentioned that it a very common (and problem) that for many of teenage confirmation candidates havent been to Confession since right before their First Communion.

Young people need to understand better the Sacrament of Confession and avail themselves to it.

I think many just try to wiggle out of it because of fear, uneasiness, embarassment etc…
We need to help them get past this and get into the confessional!! 👍
 
LoyalViews said:
Can one still obtain indulgences whil not in a state of grace?
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No. You do the actions of an Indulgence while in the state of grace. If your last Confession was more than a week ago,and you are still in a state of grace, you would still also go to Confession, but since you are in the state of grace, you can go either before or after doing the actions.

If you were not in the state of grace then you would go to Confession before doing the actions.
 
Marie5890 said:
I would encourage any young person of that age who has broken one of the 10 Commandments to go to Confession. 🙂

I find it disheartening how many young people stay away from the confessional or seek to justify their sins. 😦

I know of the priests who helps out at our parish has mentioned that it a very common (and problem) that for many of teenage confirmation candidates havent been to Confession since right before their First Communion.

Young people need to understand better the Sacrament of Confession and avail themselves to it.

I think many just try to wiggle out of it because of fear, uneasiness, embarassment etc…
We need to help them get past this and get into the confessional!! 👍
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Yes Confession is a great gift and I hope young people will be in the habit …say once a week or month…unless they have mortal sins…of course.
 
But then that leads to when children around the age reach adolescense…and they, umm “do things”. Are they considered mortal? Even if some were unintentional?

(Alot of children have asked me this)
 
LoyalViews said:
But then that leads to when children around the age reach adolescense…and they, umm “do things”. Are they considered mortal? Even if some were unintentional?

(Alot of children have asked me this)
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From the Compendium of the Catechism
  1. When does one commit a mortal sin?
1855-1861
1874

One commits a mortal sin when there are simultaneously present: grave matter, full knowledge, and deliberate consent. This sin destroys charity in us, deprives us of sanctifying grace, and, if unrepented, leads us to the eternal death of hell. It can be forgiven in the ordinary way by means of the sacraments of Baptism and of Penance or Reconciliation.
  1. When does one commit a venial sin?
1862-1864
1875

One commits a venial sin, which is essentially different from a mortal sin, when the matter involved is less serious or, even if it is grave, when full knowledge or complete consent are absent. Venial sin does not break the covenant with God but it weakens charity and manifests a disordered affection for created goods. It impedes the progress of a soul in the exercise of the virtues and in the practice of moral good. It merits temporal punishment which purifies.

Yes…they can commit a mortal sin. (some may of course and some may not…depending) Of course if it is without the required knowledge or complete consent…is not mortal sin.

vatican.va/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm#II

They should be pointed towards confession…and they can talk with the priest…if it is a grave matter…as you seem to suggest.
 
According to the 1968 Enchiridion on Indulgences:
To be capable of gaining an indulgence for oneself, it is required that one be
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Code: 
* baptized,
* not excommunicated,
* **in the state of grace at least at the completion of the prescribed works**, and
* a subject of the one granting the indulgence.
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In order that one who is capable may actually gain indulgences,
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Code: 
* one must have at least a general intention to gain them
* and must in accordance with the tenor of the grant perform the enjoined works at the time and in the manner prescribed.
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LoyalViews said:
But then that leads to when children around the age reach adolescense…and they, umm “do things”. Are they considered mortal? Even if some were unintentional?

(Alot of children have asked me this)
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I would encourage them to talk to a priest to determine if it’s mortal or otherwise. Because of the lack of clarity in your post of it makes it hard for anyone here to give any more direction than what Bookcat has posted.

A priest could help a teen or pre-teen determine the gravity of the sin committed.

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Encourage them to talk to a priest.
 
LoyalViews said:
Can one still obtain indulgences whil not in a state of grace?
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n. 1—An indulgence is the remission before God of the temporal punishment due sins already forgiven as far as their guilt is concerned, which the follower of Christ with the proper dispositions and under certain determined conditions acquires through the intervention of the Church which, as minister of the Redemption, authoritatively dispenses and applies the treasury of the satisfaction won by Christ and the saints.
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- Apostolic Constitution, Indulgentiarum Doctrina, norm #1.
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Please note the phrase, temporal punishment due sins already forgiven as far as their guilt is concerned

– If the sins are already forgiven, that would mean that the person has been restored to a state of grace already.
 
Linda_Marie said:
the 1986 Enchiridion of Indulgences
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Thanks!
  • To be capable of gaining indulgences a person must be baptized, not excommunicated, and** in the state of grace at least at the time the prescribed works are completed.**
  • Actually to gain indulgences the person must have at least the general intention of doing so and must perform the acts enjoined at the time stipulated and in the manner required according to the tenor of the grant.
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By, “certain things”, just read Number 9, under “Thou shalt not commit adultery”
This is only a mortal sin when married, am I correct?

That is my interpretation, from what I was taught. Am I incorrect?
 
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