Infallibly declared dogmas of the Catholic church

[Pai_Nosso]

Completely false. Seems you don’t quite understand the nature of infallibility-taught dogma.

Please tell me the nature of infallibility-taught dogma

 

[Pai_Nosso]

Why is 400 years after Christ ok but 1800 too late? What is the deadline?

Please refer to the last section of post #100

 

[Rau]

I asked if u understood how a person may have doubts.

I addressed this exact issue earlier. It isn’t “doubt” you expressed but rather disbelief & rejection.

I offered you an opportunity to explain all the irrelevant statements you made. So far only silence…

 

[commenter]

The difference is that the NT was released when? 200AD?

It wasn’t “released”. A specific, visible human agency with recognized authority pubicly communicated God’s will that a New Testament should exist as Scripture…that the OT also is Scripture…what books should be in the NT, and the great majority, which should be excluded…and how the NT relates to Sacred Tradition.

God didn’t to have to use the Magisterium. But He did.

 

[Pai_Nosso]

I addressed this exact issue earlier. It isn’t “doubt” you expressed but rather disbelief & rejection.

Call it what you like but you still didn’t say if u understood this view that many people hold.

I offered you an opportunity to explain all the irrelevant statements you made. So far only silence…

Because you are only looking for an argument

 

[adf417]

NT was released in the 4th century.
It’s books are written about the life and teachings of Jesus Christ.
They were written in the 1st century

:+1:t3:

It’s authors were eye witnesses of Christ. They were His disciples, His apostles.
The books were written from the direct inspiration of Christ

How do you know this?

The 2 dogmas I mention were released in the 18th century from memory.
They are not about Christ or God.

Yes! They are.

These dogmas were not taught by Jesus or God.

Yes! They were. The Church is the Body of Christ.

It’s authors weren’t inspired by Jesus or God.

Yes! It was just like the canon that was “released” in the 4th century. Just because the NT writings existed from the 1st century does not mean the church recognized them as inspired. History shows the would be NT books were not the only books being used in the liturgy of the church. The would be list had grown to hundreds. It wasn’t until the 4th century the church decided to curtail this growth and name the 27 books by culling out the others. If the authors of the 2 dogmas you have problems with were not inspired then you must consider the NT equally not inspired.

Peace!!!

 

[Rau]

Because you are only looking for an argument

No. But I thought perhaps you had some reason to make those several statements.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

Infallible dogma is declared when the Holy Spirit Himself speaks through the Pope. It’s literally taught and inspired by God.

 

[Pai_Nosso]

Infallible dogma is declared when the Holy Spirit Himself speaks through the Pope. It’s literally taught and inspired by God.

Thanks, that’s what I though It’s also known as divine revelation or apostolic succession i think
One must have faith that Popes did act on the will of God and not anything else
Ultimately Popes are human. They are prone to the same behaviours as humans

No. But I thought perhaps you had some reason to make those several statements.

Those statements show that the church isn’t always inspired or directed by God.
They’re reasons why people have less faith in the church now, times when the church has broken the trust

 

[Rau]

Those statements show that the church isn’t always inspired or directed by God.
They’re reasons why people have less faith in the church now, times when the church has broken the trust

No one has ever suggested it is in all matters. But if you don’t trust the teaching authority, if Scripture is all that matters for you, if you view the Pope as a heretic - I can understand any anti-Catholic feelings you may have.