Infants Know Right from Wrong

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So concludes some Yale researchers, who have devised experiments that show babies as young as five months making moral judgments:

"At the age of six months babies can barely sit up – let alone take their first tottering steps, crawl or talk.

But, according to psychologists, they have already developed a sense of moral code – and can tell the difference between good and evil.

An astonishing series of experiments is challenging the views of many psychologists and social scientists that human beings are born as “blank slates”– and that our morality is shaped by our parents and experiences.

Instead, they suggest that the difference between good and bad may be hardwired into the brain at birth.

In one experiment involving puppets, babies aged six months old showed a strong preference to good, helpful characters – and rejected unhelpful, "evil” ones.

In another, they even acted as judge and jury. When asked to take away treats from an “evil” puppet, some babies went further – and dished out their own punishment with a smack on its head.

Professor Paul Bloom, a psychologist at Yale University in Connecticut, whose department has studied morality in babies for years, said: ”A growing body of evidence suggests that humans do have a rudimentary moral sense from the very start of life.”

“With the help of well designed experiments, you can see glimmers of moral thought, moral judgment and moral feeling even in the first year of life.”

“Some sense of good and evil seems to be bred in the bones.”

For one study, the Yale researchers got babies aged between six months and a year to watch a puppet show in which a simple, colorful wooden shape with eyes tries to climb a hill.

Sometimes the shape is helped up the hill by a second toy, while other times a third character pushes it down.

After watching the show several times, the babies were shown the helpful and unhelpful toys. They showed a clear preference for the helpful toys – spending far longer looking at the “good” shapes than the “bad” ones.

“In the end, we found that six- and ten-month-old infants overwhelmingly preferred the helpful individual to the hindering individual,” Prof Bloom told the New York Times.

“This wasn’t a subtle statistical trend; just about all the babies reached for the good guy.”

Two more tests found the same moral sense.

In one, the researchers devised a “one-act morality play,” in which a toy dog tries to open a box. The dog is joined by a teddy bear who helps him lift the lid, and a teddy who stubbornly sits on the box.

They also made the babies watch a puppet cat play ball with two toy rabbits. When the cat rolled the ball to one rabbit, it rolled the ball straight back. But when the cat rolled it to the second rabbit, it picked up the ball and ran off.

“In both studies, five-month-old babies preferred the good guy – the one who helped to open the box; the one who rolled the ball back – to the bad guy,” said Professor Bloom.

When the same tests were repeated with 21-month-old babies, they were given a chance to dish out treats to the toys – or take treats away.

Most toddlers punished the “naughty rabbit” by taking away treats. One even gave the miscreant a smack on the head as a punishment." via dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1275574/Babies-know-difference-good-evil-months-study-reveals.html

This seems to be evidence for the objective reality of moral truth. It isn’t just a cultural construction, since babies have not been enculturated.

It also seems to be in accord with the Lutheran/Catholic teaching about infant sin, infant baptism, and infant faith. Does it undermine the position of those of you who believe in an “age of accountability”?

Can any of you provide any other, perhaps less scientific evidence, about very young children exhibiting moral or spiritual awareness?
 
Yet more evidence of the greatness of God, and the evil of abortion:
(Jer 24:7) And I will give them a heart to know me, that I am the Lord: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God: because they shall return to me with their whole heart.
 
I am reviewing all my Montessori books and am now using the above post as well shared by Triune Unity.

There is great work to be done for our mothers and future mothers, and the sanctity of the unborn as well as the little children.

Many of us can when we were preschoolers, having experienced such profound emotions of love for our parents that could compete with any adult’s.
 
I am reviewing all my Montessori books and am now using the above post as well shared by Triune Unity.

There is great work to be done for our mothers and future mothers, and the sanctity of the unborn as well as the little children.

Many of us can when we were preschoolers, having experienced such profound emotions of love for our parents that could compete with any adult’s.
Not just about abortion, this also flies in the face of the those who claim they should wait till age 8 to baptize.
 
Not just about abortion, this also flies in the face of the those who claim they should wait till age 8 to baptize.
Absolutely. That is more at what I am getting at by posting the article. If the argument is made that infants cannot be baptized because they are unaware of their sins, then not only Scripture, but science, as demonstrated in the article, shows otherwise.
 
The little ones come to Jesus as fish to water.

My younger daughter was baptized several days after her birth…when she was being baptized, her arms immediately dropped to her sides and she looked like she was receiving deep love at that moment from heaven. We were all so moved. She ended up being called St. Therese in grade school…very loving child.
 
Jesus says, “suffer the little children to come unto me”…Mormons and others who wait to baptize say, “After an age WE deem appropriate, suffer the children above age 8 to come unto me.”
 
it is almost as if they treat God as if he was a movie theater…only people above a certain age are allowed…
 
Sorry, but I think this is a crock. Would these be the same psychologists who insisted that pedophilia could be “cured,” or who race into courtrooms to testify (for a fee) that murderers who wipe out their families were merely “temporarily insane?”

Read the article. We’re talking puppets here. Puppets. All I think this “proves” is that babies like friendly-looking puppets over scary-looking puppets. Does anyone recall the terrible “witch hunts” of the 1980’s and 90’s when “psychologists” used puppets to gin up what proved to be horribly false charges of child molestations against various day care operators? Numerous lives were ruined.

At this rate, we’ll be hauling 2-year-olds off to confession for the “sin” of dirty diapers.
 
My Great Grandmother had a saying “You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear”.

What was that passage about 10 generations? I wonder if that is what it takes to get dilute the genetic predispositions of an immoral person?.. Now I am curious
 
So concludes …
Interesting :hmmm:
This seems to be evidence for the objective reality of moral truth. It isn’t just a cultural construction, since babies have not been enculturated.
If the study is legitimate and well done it seems to show that people are born morally good, not evil.
It also seems to be in accord with the Lutheran/Catholic teaching about infant sin, infant baptism, and infant faith. Does it undermine the position of those of you who believe in an “age of accountability”?
It reinforces the concept that children should be receiving baptism, communion and Confirmation at birth and to continue to receive communion as infants for their own spiritual benefit.

If we accept that it seems to argue for infant baptism, it also then demolishes the arguments for withholding communion from the young, which was not the original western practice but became standard hundreds of years later.

http://ocaphoto.oca.org/filetmp/2004/August/102/Detail/DSC_0048.jpg
 
(Hesychios, what a beautiful picture, profound…Mine wasn’t an infant. We were at the Madeleine in SLC, and the priest thought my 4 year old was receiving the Eucharist.

I looked over and saw my son, and his eyes widened and he looked stunned…He came up to me and after swallowing, very taken by the reception, he said, ‘Mommy, that was so powerful!’

Thank you!)
 
Sorry, but I think this is a crock. Would these be the same psychologists who insisted that pedophilia could be “cured,” or who race into courtrooms to testify (for a fee) that murderers who wipe out their families were merely “temporarily insane?”

Read the article. We’re talking puppets here. Puppets. All I think this “proves” is that babies like friendly-looking puppets over scary-looking puppets. Does anyone recall the terrible “witch hunts” of the 1980’s and 90’s when “psychologists” used puppets to gin up what proved to be horribly false charges of child molestations against various day care operators? Numerous lives were ruined.

At this rate, we’ll be hauling 2-year-olds off to confession for the “sin” of dirty diapers.
I am a puppeter and I can tell you that no matter what kind of puppet it is good looking or scary looking some children are scared of them and some have no problem with them. I have a infant in my house right now and I got a scary mask and showed him it there was no bad reaction. Then I took a nice mask and got the same result. So I would have to agree with you that this study is hog wash.
 
Read the article. We’re talking puppets here. Puppets. All I think this “proves” is that babies like friendly-looking puppets over scary-looking puppets. Does anyone recall the terrible “witch hunts” of the 1980’s and 90’s when “psychologists” used puppets to gin up what proved to be horribly false charges of child molestations against various day care operators? Numerous lives were ruined.
The puppets looked the same. It was based on what the puppets DID…i.e., their behavior, and not based on what they looked like.
 
I wouldn’t be surprised if you could find similar behaviors in infants of other higher social animals. I don’t think the fact that we have an instinct for helpful rather than hurtful behaviors is really evidence of us being moral beings - lots of animals have instincts to do things we consider to be “moral” like care for infants, or help members of the group.

It is when we can assess the morality of things apart from instinct that we become real moral beings - for example seeing that helping our child in preference to others, as our instincts tell us, is unjust.

An interesting study for sure, but I don’t think it shows that babies have truly “human” morality.
 
Interesting :hmmm:

If the study is legitimate and well done it seems to show that people are born morally good, not evil.
No… it would show a recognition of good and evil, not the moral disposition of the infant.

“for the intention of man’s heart is evil from his youth.”
 
No… it would show a recognition of good and evil, not the moral disposition of the infant.
Well you can’t use the fact that the article shows the children always choosing the good puppet as reinforcing your assertion that babies are born with an evil inclination.

You are contradicting yourself.
“for the intention of man’s heart is evil from his youth.”
Genesis 8

Infant? Foetus? Zygote? This quote does not support the damnation of infants.

You are using an argument from a news source, outside of scripture and tradition for what purpose? To show that we can learn from things outside of our religion and “fuse them in” in some syncretistic way?

You need to abandon this line of reasoning and consider the thread a flop.
 
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