Infertile married couple condom use

[davia]

Davia what about the case where one spouse is injured and can no longer perform the marital act.Lets say this is a really young couple. Does that mean the non injured spouse should be allowed to have sex with someone else? Or is this just a cross that they will be bearing along with Christ ? Yes it is going to be difficult but with God all things are possible. Perhaps there will be a cure in the future who knows. When we marry we do it for better or worse and we accept the challenges that come. These are serious challenges indeed. We don’t have the right to have immoral sex because it is difficult to abstain. We never want to encourage anyone to do an immoral act to protect themselves from another immoral act. The church has spoken. Contraception is always immoral because it introduces something into the marital act that does not belong there. You mentiones the couple should be allowed to use the condome because they don’t “want” to give up a sex life. Well, we want all kinds of bad things for us or things that are difficult to do that are right for us to do. That’s why we have the church as a moral teacher.

I have not doubt couples can shop around and find dissenting or ignorant ( I give some the benefit of the doubt because they don’t all get the same education )priests enough to allow them to do what they want. Doesn’t make it right. A person going to a priest should be getting the same info they is being given using church documentation from any priest they go to.

Well, no the spouse would not be able to go outside the marriage - I am talking about a couple who love eachother and would never think of cheating or divorce. They are 2 different scenarios where one person can not even physically have sex and someone who can, but has a disease that can be spread. I should have specified here that I am talking about a couple who is so deaply committed and do not want to separate or cheat even if they are in that situation.

Sex should be between husband and wife and the Bible is clear that not everyone can take up the cross of celebacy and therefore they should be married to avoid sin - married couples should have sex - it is an important part of marriage (provided they physically can). If they can’t, that is a horrible tragedy for them, but it’s different than being able to, but “shouldn’t”. It’s not about “wanting” sex between a married couple like wanting a shirt you can’t afford.

I still believe everything is not black and white, and we are not a judge and jury - God is. For example, I am pro-life, and we believe that life happens at conception, but Hosea prays that the enemies would miscarriege and they did. Apparently not every single thing is black and white even if we don’t understand it.

I don’t think it’s immoral sex for a couple to protect one’s life under such circumstances. That is for each couple with their priest to decide and that’s free will. I do not think it’s God’s will to make a devoted couple who can’t have children and through some horrible tragedy such as rape (resulting in a deadly STD) suffer like that. He will punish the guilty - the rapist. God is about love. Not technicality. Like I said, this is just my opinion. We all have to make our own decisions with what we think is best - that’s the whole meaning of free will. And yes, I have spoken to my priests about this before and I can say that they also do not believe things are so black and white on subjects such as this.

 

[Newbie2]

Grace Angel:

“Newbie2
You are absolutely making fun of our faith and most specifically you are making “fun” of HV.
Spend a year studying this magnificent document together with Castii Conubii, Donum Vitae, HV, and EV. and Theology of the Body. Make a complete study of these and you wuill have all your questions answered.
However, if you are simply “making fun” of the Catholic faith, I am sure you wont be bothered as the answers are not your real agenda.
bye
GraceAngel.”

I’ve not questioned your “agenda” or motives in this thread, Grace Angel, and I would ask that you extend me the same courtesy.

I have read these documents and commentaries on them. In my experience, the language used in them is not sufficient for catechism for some adults, i.e. telling someone to just read them and all of their questions will be answered is naive, at best. Not to mention by looking at the number of responses in this thread, many forumites find it an interesting topic.

I look to the wisdom and practical way of explaining that many of the forumites in the CAF have demonstrated, and have no agenda here. Please PM me if you wish to further challenge my motives.