Infinite Universes

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Some cosmologists think there are an infinite number of universes. Does this conflict with the existence of God and Christianity?

I have two names of cosmologist from the book, "Is God Unnecessary? Why Stephen Hawking is Wrong according to the Laws of Physics,"who disagree with infinity universes, Alan Guth and Paul Davies. Are there any others?
 
I’d be interested to see what evidence they have for infinite universes, but insofar as I am aware there is no reason to believe God couldn’t make them.
 
The people that come to these conclusions are not fools,
They are people that have studied , have super computers,
What facts have you got to Question their studies
And ultimately , does it all really matter,
 
God created everything that exists, whether that includes one universe or many. The Church doesn’t have an official opinion on the multi-verse theory.
 
Some cosmologists think there are an infinite number of universes. Does this conflict with the existence of God and Christianity?

I have two names of cosmologist from the book, "Is God Unnecessary? Why Stephen Hawking is Wrong according to the Laws of Physics,"who disagree with infinity universes, Alan Guth and Paul Davies. Are there any others?
There is no evidence for multi-verses, infinite or otherwise. It is pure speculation.
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I believe that it would have to conflict with God. Infinite describes something that has no
external source or cause. God is infinite, his creation is not.
 
I believe that it would have to conflict with God. Infinite describes something that has no
external source or cause. God is infinite, his creation is not.
That’s not quite the meaning of infinite. Infinite means “limitless or endless in space, extent, or size; impossible to measure or calculate”. God is outside time and space so any definition of time and space doesn’t apply to him.
 
Merriman-Webster defines infinite as subject to no limitation or external determination.
 
Merriman-Webster defines infinite as subject to no limitation or external determination.
When you’re talking about mathematics the concept of infinity is used quite a lot. That doesn’t mean God is either included or excluded, it’s just a number concept.
 
Some cosmologists think there are an infinite number of universes. Does this conflict with the existence of God and Christianity?

I have two names of cosmologist from the book, "Is God Unnecessary? Why Stephen Hawking is Wrong according to the Laws of Physics,"who disagree with infinity universes, Alan Guth and Paul Davies. Are there any others?
I picked up a book in a Protestant bookshop yesterday called “Big Bang Big God - A Universe Designed for Life” by Rev. Dr. Rodney D. Holder, whose blurb states he is former course director of the Faraday Institute for Science and Religion at St Edmunds College, Cambridge. He was awarded a D.Phil. in astrophysics and a degree in Theology.

So he knows a thing or three.

I’ve only just started reading the book but he has a section on Multiverses, and the problems associated with it.

Skimming ahead, I’m only going to give the main areas that make the idea of multiverses look somewhat unlikely -
  1. The physics associated involved with multiverses is speculative, to say the least (his words), especially when it comes to string theory.
  2. The Paradoxes of infinity - How many multiverses are you going to have? What’s an infinite number?
  3. The criterion of simplicity (scientists like simple explanations) and multiverses defy that trend.
  4. Multiverses and Predictability - Multiverses are more than likely to be chaotic and collapse on themselves, or unsuccessful if you like.
  5. The Cosmological Constant - it needs to be precisely tuned to create a universe capable of supporting life.
  6. Fine Tuning Required for a multiverse - “Some multiverse models require an element of fine tuning for there to be a multiverse in the first place.” (his words) This means that not only is our universe fine tuned to support life, but multiverses require fine tuning just to exist. This is pushing probabiity pretty hard.
  7. The Order of the Universe at the Beginning - Any universe requires order at the beginning. Where does this order come from?
  8. Fine tuning for embodied conscious agents - We happen to live in a universe which is open to observation by embodied conscious agents. For embodied conscioius agents to exist in the first place, precise fine tuning is required, with suitable conditions for those embodied conscious agents to live eg. build houses, send up satellites (if the gravity were 10 times more, we’d find it extremely difficult just to live, and much, much harder to launch Hubble Telescopes).
  9. The prevalence of “fake universes” - how do we know we’re not just one more universe which has been simulated by some super intelligence (actually there might be somethingn that if we call the super intelligence “God”.).
Frankly, I think the business of multiverses has speculative atheism written all over it. It’s just one more attempt by Man to try to avoid God. As simple as that.

As my old pastor said once, “Man doesn’t WANT to believe in God” So we search around for ways to avoid His invisible but everpresent gaze.

I’ve said before the night my own father died, he appeared in my room. The episode ended when he disappeared with one almighty, terrifying scream. I think he’s in hell, and the terror was contagious. Fortunately he disappeared before I was too overwhelmed.

He thought his behaviour hadn’t been seen either. Too late he found out he’d been observed every day of his life. “That which is hidden will be shouted to the roof tops” and “a man will account for every useless word.”

Mulitiverses are just another cop-out, like “spirituality” without theology.
 
It would seem to me that if something is infinite, it has no beginning or end. As Catholics,
isn’t it our belief that only God possesses these attributes?
 
IMO, it is silly to talk about an infinite amount of existing things. 🤷

You can’t have an infinite amount of anything, because reality is definite, while “infinite” is indefinite (nonspecific). If you have an infinite amount of cupcakes, and someone gives you one more, you will still have an infinite amount of cupcakes. One cannot both have the last cupcake and not have the last cupcake, but that is what is implied in the example.

Besides, the universe is everything, so it makes no sense to talk about more than everything.
 
Even if a multi-verse exists, it would be impossible to prove it because we cannot go back before the Big Bang, nor is there any evidence that we can exit our universe to discover other universes. Science is supposed to be based on evidence, not wishful atheistic assumptions. What we do know is that our own universe was created. This must be an eternal problem for atheists who used to be content that the universe always existed even though they never had any proof that it always existed. In the multiverse of the atheist anything and everything is possible … except God. The atheist therefore cannot escape being a dogmatist.
 
No official stance on the multi-universe theory in the Catholic Church. If they do exist, cool! God created them. If they don’t exist, ok. God didn’t create them.
 
Even if a multi-verse exists, it would be impossible to prove it because we cannot go back before the Big Bang, nor is there any evidence that we can exit our universe to discover other universes. Science is supposed to be based on evidence, not wishful atheistic assumptions. What we do know is that our own universe was created. This must be an eternal problem for atheists who used to be content that the universe always existed even though they never had any proof that it always existed. In the multiverse of the atheist anything and everything is possible … except God. The atheist therefore cannot escape being a dogmatist.
I think you’re conflating atheists with scientists. You don’t have to be an atheist to hold to the multi-verse theory (not saying I do, I’m agnostic about it).
 
Some cosmologists think there are an infinite number of universes. Does this conflict with the existence of God and Christianity?

I have two names of cosmologist from the book, "Is God Unnecessary? Why Stephen Hawking is Wrong according to the Laws of Physics,"who disagree with infinity universes, Alan Guth and Paul Davies. Are there any others?
Ok, Rev. Dr. Rodney Holder --any others?
 
I’ve been researching online and all I’m finding is support for the theory of infinite universes.
My guess would be any support you’re finding is from atheist astronomers.

Can you name a Christian astronomer who thinks a multiverse is possible?
 
I think you’re conflating atheists with scientists. You don’t have to be an atheist to hold to the multi-verse theory (not saying I do, I’m agnostic about it).
Can you name a theist who holds to the multiverse notion (not even a theory since there is no proof whatever)?
 
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