Influential nun calls for 'non-violent resistance' against Vatican apostolic visitation

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An influential American nun has called for “non-violent resistance” against a Vatican investigation of women’s religious orders. In an email message to colleagues that has now been published by the National Catholic Reporter, Sister Sandra Schneiders, who teaches at the Jesuit School of Theology in Berkeley, California, says that the apostolic visitation recently announced by the Vatican will be “aggressive and dishonest.” She acknowledges that American religious orders cannot prevent the Vatican inquiry. However, she recommends
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Full story here.

If the fruit of this “post-Vatican II” revolution in religious orders is disobedience, then it is reasonable to conclude that it is not authentic.
 
It’s ok, she won’t live forever. Then, may God have mercy on her soul.

~Liza
 
Time to lay the smackdown on these “Religious Orders”.
 
When a highway patrolman asks if the driver cares if he looks in the trunk and the driver resists, chances are 10,000 to 1 there’s contraband in it.
 
If they don’t have anything to hide why do they care?..I’ve never heard of her and it doesn’t say whom she influences…obviously not Rome…no one:shrug: else matters
 
Ridgerunner said:
When a highway patrolman asks if the driver cares if he looks in the trunk and the driver resists, chances are 10,000 to 1 there’s contraband in it.
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Unless the patrolman has a warrant (or otherwise lawful permission to search), he cannot search by force. While “the world must construe according to its wits, [he] must construe according to the law,” which does not see evidence or admission of guilt, and therefore must presume innocence.

The notion that they should not care if they’ve nothing to hide is, as Col. Potter would say, “horse-hockey!” This investigation is being conducted by an institution (the hierarchical Church, “the Vatican,”) which has publicly shown itself to be unaccountable, given the recent sex-abuse scandals and shifting of responsibility and blame. The level of trust has been eroded. I think the author rightly smells potential abuse of the Church authority entrusted to these investigators. If they have an agenda to change these religious orders into something they are not meant to be, then the orders will need to be on damage control. I think the sister is right in suggesting that a cool and businesslike, but charitable manner may be the best way to receive these uninvited guests.
 
Ah Sister Sandra Schneider, of Call to Action fame – famous professor and author.

One of her more famous other quotes:

“When the first Women’s Ordination Conference met in Detroit in 1975, the women who attended were focused on…the admission of women to orders…Since 1978, women have come to realize that…we are not talking about how to organize the institution. We are talking about whether the God of Judeo-Christian revelation is true God or just men-writ-large to legitimate their domination; whether Jesus, an historical male, is or can be messiah and savior for those who are not male; whether what the church has called sacraments are really encounters with Christ, or tools of male ritual abuse of women; whether what we have called church is a community of salvation or simply a male power structure.”

Plenty more where that comes from. We can see why NCR loves her.

Because she isn’t Catholic, just like NCR, but instead a flaming heretic in very loose, sheep’s clothing.
 
ChemicalBean said:
Unless the patrolman has a warrant (or otherwise lawful permission to search), he cannot search by force. While “the world must construe according to its wits, [he] must construe according to the law,” which does not see evidence or admission of guilt, and therefore must presume innocence.

The notion that they should not care if they’ve nothing to hide is, as Col. Potter would say, “horse-hockey!” This investigation is being conducted by an institution (the hierarchical Church, “the Vatican,”) which has publicly shown itself to be unaccountable, given the recent sex-abuse scandals and shifting of responsibility and blame. The level of trust has been eroded. I think the author rightly smells potential abuse of the Church authority entrusted to these investigators. If they have an agenda to change these religious orders into something they are not meant to be, then the orders will need to be on damage control. I think the sister is right in suggesting that a cool and businesslike, but charitable manner may be the best way to receive these uninvited guests.
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I assumed readers were aware that (with some exceptions) a warrant is required. Nevertheless, because cars are mobile, police often ask. If the driver refuses, then the officer pretty well knows the trunk contains contraband, From that point on, other factors might allow the officer to search anyway. Most of the time, it contains contraband when there is initial resistance because totally innocent people will generally comply immediately, rather than make the situation get complicated.

I suppose if the religious orders are true to their initial purposes, I don’t imagine anything will come of any of the visitations, because if they did not have good initial purposes and trial periods, they would never have been sanctioned to become religious orders to start with. But if some have become irreligious, heretical or immoral in their practices, I imagine there is something to fear all right. I’m guessing some have definitely turned into something “they were not meant to be”.
 
I taught in a Catholic High School for 30 years and when Vat.11 came down and much of it mis-reported…still the Mercy order went bananas!.They removed their habits for a more contemporary one…airline stewardness (!) type…religious paintings and the crucifix were removed in many class rooms etc…in a matter of a few years their order just dried up…yes investigations of all orders and their mother houses must be investigated…how ;many souls have been lost because of this so called social gospel…looking the other way on abortion etc etc enough is enough…as we poor but honest folk have always said…come on check my books I have nothing to hide…thats why I am poor…so why should anyone be upset about headquarters investigatings one of its own…of all our children the one who had the most ‘catholic’ education…school,college,is the most unbelieving…no accident!!!
 
redrosetea said:
If they don’t have anything to hide why do they care?..I’ve never heard of her and it doesn’t say whom she influences…obviously not Rome…no one:shrug: else matters
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Well, she may be adversely influencing the students at the Berkely school where she teaches.

Ishii
 
ChemicalBean said:
Unless the patrolman has a warrant (or otherwise lawful permission to search), he cannot search by force. While “the world must construe according to its wits, [he] must construe according to the law,” which does not see evidence or admission of guilt, and therefore must presume innocence. Off topic and a poor analogy.

The notion that they should not care if they’ve nothing to hide is, as Col. Potter would say, “horse-hockey!” The only “horse-hockey” surrounding this woman is her lack of humility, charity and obedience. Calling an investigation ordered by the Holy Father, “aggresive, hostile, intimidating, and uninvited” by a sister who claims to be Catholic is inexcusable. This investigation is being conducted by an institution (the hierarchical Church, “the Vatican,”) which has publicly shown itself to be unaccountable, given the recent sex-abuse scandals and shifting of responsibility and blame. Find a new drum to beat…the survey of the seminaries were conducted to prevent repetition of conditions that fostered abuse. The level of trust has been eroded. I wouldn’t trust this woman to train my dog. I think the author rightly smells potential abuse of the Church authority entrusted to these investigators. There is no evidence to support this. I know one of the Bishops who was part of the team that investigated the seminaries. He is above reproach, as were others who performed this service for the Holy See. I would trust that man with my life. I do not see her as trustworthy. What exactly is it this woman is smelling? What kind of “abuse” would that be? If they have an agenda to change these religious orders into something they are not meant to be, then the orders will need to be on damage control. It is up to our Holy Father to decide if these orders are not what they should be, not her. If they are heretical, they need to repent and come into compliance and quit poisoning young minds. Damage control! How do we ever “control” the damage women like this have done to the Church over the last 40 yrs! I think the sister is right in suggesting that a cool and businesslike, but charitable manner may be the best way to receive these uninvited guests.Her remarks are cold, uncharitable, prideful and disrespectful of the Pope. A religious order is not a business. Those sent by the Vicar of Christ are “uninvited”? Would she likewise turn away Christ? Our Holy Father has every right to investigate the behavior and character of these rogue orders and order changes or disband them as needed. She should be honored that he is such a holy and concerned shepard. We need to pray that she is given the grace and humility she needs to follow Our Lord Jesus in His Church/quote]
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I was always under the impression that Religious Orders of Women were not under the jurisdiction of the Vatican…that they were autonomous, and could make their own rules for how they lived, dressed, their apostolates, etc. as long as they adhered to the TEACHINGS of the church.

I’m really tired of these feminist nuns who want to have women ordained to the priesthood. It’s never gonna happen and the sooner they accept this, the better.

This “investigation” sounds like it’s going to be a replay of what happened with the IHM’s and Cardinal McIntyre in Los Angeles in the 60’s…and we all know how THAT ended.

Definitely time for some house cleaning…although where were these investigators when the sex abuse by priests was going on? Why all of a sudden are convents the target of investigations.

I do agree though, that the founders of a many of these orders would roll over in their graves if they saw what their orders have become today.

This will be interesting in the extreme to follow this, for sure.
 
Once again, some Church “institutions” are giving off a smell of sulfur. Again, prayer and more prayer is needed.
 
Gardenman said:
I was always under the impression that Religious Orders of Women were not under the jurisdiction of the Vatican…that they were autonomous, and could make their own rules for how they lived, dressed, their apostolates, etc. as long as they adhered to the TEACHINGS of the church.
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No group, society or order within the Church is autonomous from Rome and the Pope. Unless it is a personal prelature of the Pope, like Opus Dei, religious orders of women still fall under the authority of the Prefect of the Congregation for Religious.
I’m really tired of these feminist nuns who want to have women ordained to the priesthood. It’s never gonna happen and the sooner they accept this, the better.
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I share your exhaustion.
This “investigation” sounds like it’s going to be a replay of what happened with the IHM’s and Cardinal McIntyre in Los Angeles in the 60’s…and we all know how THAT ended.
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Okay, call me dumb, but I do not now anything about that. Could you give me a brief summary? Thank you!
Definitely time for some house cleaning…although where were these investigators when the sex abuse by priests was going on? Why all of a sudden are convents the target of investigations.
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Probably because of errant doctrines and the reputation of of wacky goings on that also plagued seminaries. Seminaries in the USA, you may recall, were the subject of an Apostolic visitation a couple of years ago.
I do agree though, that the founders of a many of these orders would roll over in their graves if they saw what their orders have become today.
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This will be interesting in the extreme to follow this, for sure.
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You are right, this will be very interesting. With that said, I most certainly prefer boredom to this.
 
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