Inherent Value of life (secular)

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Cool.

Kind of makes the discussion we had otiose, but ok…
If you have time, please explain your concept of “ordered” and “disordered”. And why is it wrong to limit one specific outcome among the many possible ones.
Not that interesting topic to me.

If you’re interested in the topic, here’s a link to some really good articles from Princeton which I’ve read over the years. "ordered towards" princeton - Google Search…0…1…gws-wiz…33i299j33i22i29i30j0i22i30j33i160.63CjdPabPss
 
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So the final conclusion is that we become “persons” when our brain activity starts.
Based on your evaluation of when we become persons.

Since…
  1. Brain activity marks the start of observable value
  2. Inherent value is determined by nature
  3. Zygotes naturally develop brain activity.
Therefore, every fertilized egg has inherent value of life (secular).
 
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The inherent value of life might make more sense from an atheist perspective.
If There’s no God or after life, than this current life is all we have so we’d better defend it.
Belief in God/after life may diminish the value of life. God may have the right to end life or this life maybe regarded as second best to the next one.
So the value of life may fit better into atheism, where this only really can’t be wasted, than into religion, where life can be “justly” removed & doesn’t compare to the after life.
 
Athiest aren’t able to prove that life is valuable in the first place.
 
Athiest aren’t able to prove that life is valuable in the first place.
That’s because value is relative. Your children’s lives aren’t as valuable to me as they are to you. But I could prove that my children have value to me.
 
That’s because value is relative. Your children’s lives aren’t as valuable to me as they are to you. But I could prove that my children have value to me.
How do you propose you could prove that your children have value to you?
 
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That’s because value is relative. Your children’s lives aren’t as valuable to me as they are to you. But I could prove that my children have value to me.
How do you propose you could prove that your children have value to you?
I’d give my life for my children. But not for a stranger.
 
I’d give my life for my children. But not for a stranger.
Based on your evaluation of observable value being based on whether or not a life would give up living that other lives might live.

Since…
  1. I would gladly give my life for each and every unborn child.
  2. It would be my pleasure to give my life, if this would grant every human zygote the opportunity to naturally live and die.
  3. Furthermore, if permissible, I would gladly embrace my life being executed in lieu of the death penalty intended for any unborn child.
Therefore, every unborn child has proven value.
 
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Bradskii:
I’d give my life for my children. But not for a stranger.
Based on your evaluation of observable value being based on whether or not a life would give up living that other lives might live.

Since…
  1. I would gladly give my life for each and every unborn child.
  2. It would be my pleasure to give my life, if this would grant every human zygote the opportunity to naturally live and die.
  3. Furthermore, if permissible, I would gladly embrace my life being executed in lieu of the death penalty intended for any unborn child.
Therefore, every unborn child has proven value.
To you. Yes. Every point you made refers to you.
 
Mind you, I already agreed with your new, improved assessment about the development of the brain. Before that happens, there is no human “person”, just a blob of cells, which - under some circumstances - will develop INTO a human person. So up until that deadline, abortions do not get rid of a human person. 🙂
I suppose you also operate under the misconception that acorns are not oak trees.

The problem is if oak trees have gone extinct from the earth and the only one left happens to be in the form of an acorn, that acorn holds within it the potential not merely to be one oak tree but a forest of them. Oak trees are monoecious.

Ergo an acorn is, in effect, a forest of oak trees.
 
Does it matter? Surely even an atheist knows the difference between right and wrong! If he does not already think that murder is wrong, then arguments are futile.
 
The inherent value of life might make more sense from an atheist perspective.
If There’s no God or after life, than this current life is all we have so we’d better defend it.
Some might claim that an atheist perspective implies a complete lack of any purpose or meaning to life, so whether one lives or dies is inconsequential, objectively speaking because all there is is particles of matter randomly interacting. There is nothing like an “inherent value” based upon the physical and chemical interactions of particles of matter. The material order, according to the atheist, just is as a brute fact. No meaning, no purpose, no significance. Period.

That means what follows from atheism is whatever morality a random arrangement of chemicals happens to come up with. Hitler’s “sense of life” is as valid as Gandhi’s, since there is no inherent value to be had.
Belief in God/after life may diminish the value of life. God may have the right to end life or this life maybe regarded as second best to the next one.
So the value of life may fit better into atheism, where this only really can’t be wasted, than into religion, where life can be “justly” removed & doesn’t compare to the after life.
It isn’t a question of the value any particular “belief in God” brings to the table. It is a question of the value that God himself, if he exists as the Creator and Sustainer of all that exists, brings to the table.

The question isn’t resolved by beliefs about value, but by the underlying reality that is the foundation of existence.

What you or I believe is largely irrelevant. The value that God endows on existence is everything, whereas the value that mere matter, as a brute fact, endows is a non-starter – which is why you have to punt to “belief,” as if human belief is at all meaningful if there is nothing real behind that belief to back it up.

Monopoly money versus currency underwritten by the omnipotent, omnibenevolent, omniscient Creator of all that exists. There is no comparison with regard to relative value and what backs it up.
 
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