Innocence Mary?

[pohandes]

According to our faith, Saint Mary was innocent and she even did not wounded through Original sin.

On the other hand, Her parents were sinners, Bible Says: “Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one!” (Job 14:4)

So, How is it possible for her to be innocent?

 

[GioG12]

“Who can bring what is pure from the impure? No one!” (Job 14:4)

In this verse, I believe the author is talking about man. The word “who” in the verse refers to man. Man can’t bring something pure out of something impure. However, when we talk about the Immaculate Conception, God did it.
God did the Immaculate Conception. He is the one who made it happen. God is not limited to something. He can do anything. Nothing is impossible with him (Luke 1:37). Since God is Almighty and All-powerful , he can bring something pure out of something impure.

 

[pohandes]

In this verse, I believe the author is talking about man. The word “who” in the verse refers to man. Man can’t bring something pure out of something impure. However, when we talk about the Immaculate Conception, God did it.
God did the Immaculate Conception. He is the one who made it happen. God is not limited to something. He can do anything. Nothing is impossible with him (Luke 1:37). Since God is Almighty and All-powerful , he can bring something pure out of something impure.

OK, Then why The God did not did not do this for other humen? If he did it for children of Adam, there would be no Original Sin.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

I’ve pondered this question myself, and I’ve found that one good explanation for this is that we already know that mankind is susceptible to sinning even in that purer state. God likely foresaw that we’d simply fall again and learn nothing, and decided that the best course of action would be something different. Namely, His coming to Earth as man and freeing us from slavery to sin that way.

 

[Vico]

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So, How is it possible for her to be innocent?

Innocent through the grace received from the Holy Trinity in anticipation of her cooperation. Here is a prayer said by the Marians of the Immaculate Conception:

In your conception, O Virgin Mary, you were immaculate. Pray for us to the Father whose son, Jesus, you brought forth into the world. (Let us pray.) Father, you prepared the Virgin Mary to be the worthy mother of your Son. You let her share beforehand in the salvation Christ would bring by his death, and kept her sinless from the first moment of her conception. Help us by her prayers to live in your presence without sin. We ask this in the name of Jesus the Lord. Amen.

 

[pohandes]

I’ve pondered this question myself, and I’ve found that one good explanation for this is that we already know that mankind is susceptible to sinning even in that purer state. God likely foresaw that we’d simply fall again and learn nothing, and decided that the best course of action would be something different. Namely, His coming to Earth as man and freeing us from slavery to sin that way.

It is your answer to which question? Post 1 or Post 3?

Innocent through the grace received from the Holy Trinity in anticipation of her cooperation. Here is a prayer said by the Marians of the Immaculate Conception:

What is your idea about Job 14:4?

 

[Vico]

Capta(name removed by moderator)rudeman:

I’ve pondered this question myself, and I’ve found that one good explanation for this is that we already know that mankind is susceptible to sinning even in that purer state. God likely foresaw that we’d simply fall again and learn nothing, and decided that the best course of action would be something different. Namely, His coming to Earth as man and freeing us from slavery to sin that way.

It is your answer to which question? Post 1 or Post 3?

Innocent through the grace received from the Holy Trinity in anticipation of her cooperation. Here is a prayer said by the Marians of the Immaculate Conception:

What is your idea about Job 14:4?

The Holy Trinity alone can purify man.

Psalm 50

3 Have mercy on me, O God, according to thy great mercy. And according to the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my iniquity.
4 Wash me yet more from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
5 For I know my iniquity, and my sin is always before me.

 

[Margaret_Ann]

https://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_pi09id.htm

 

[pohandes]

Psalm 50

3 Have mercy on me, O God, according to thy great mercy. And according to the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my iniquity.
4 Wash me yet more from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
5 For I know my iniquity, and my sin is always before me.

Wrong address. This is Psalm50:3-5:

3 Our God comes and will not be silent; a fire devours before him, and around him a tempest rages.
4 He summons the heavens above, and the earth, that he may judge his people:
5 “Gather to me this consecrated people, who made a covenant with me by sacrifice.”

The Holy Trinity alone can purify man.

If this is possible, Why didn’t God do this to other people? Why he didn’t do it to chldren Adam? If he did so, there would be Original Sin.

 

[pohandes]

CATHOLIC LIBRARY: Ineffabilis Deus (1854)

This is too long. What is the answer you are pointing to?

 

[Inbonum]

Some things we cannot know now and we should accept them in faith and confidence in God.

This is too long. What is the answer you are pointing to?

That is great source for understanding Immaculate Conception.
To be honest, if you are looking for answers on this or any other question about Catholic Church’s beliefs you should read every official document to understand it better. Or Catechism of Catholic Church for example.

I would read everything I could find if I had question like your. It is not like you are gonna get answer in 2-3 sentences. You probably wont get answer that will satisfy you because this question isn’t something that any of us could know 100%.

Why we aren’t conceived like Mary? I don’t know. God has given us free will, Adam and Eve have sinned with free will, therefore we all bear the consequences of Original sin. Before Original Sin they didn’t have burden of sin as we do, there was no death like after sinning. We needed and need a savior, it is Jesus Christ. He is only one who is winner over death. Mary was the only one worthy to conceive and give birth to Christ because of her Immaculate Conception.

God can do everything but God does not do everything we want.

 

[Vico]

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Wrong address. This is Psalm50:3-5:
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If this is possible, Why didn’t God do this to other people? Why he didn’t do it to chldren Adam? If he did so, there would be Original Sin.

Different translations number the psalms differently.

Who said the Holy Trinity did not do this to other people? We know that Adam and Eve did not have original sin, they caused it.

 

[pohandes]

God can do everything but God does not do everything we want.

Can God create another God?

Who said the Holy Trinity did not do this to other people? We know that Adam and Eve did not have original sin, they caused it.

What it is different in Saint Mary?

 

[Vico]

Inbonum:

God can do everything but God does not do everything we want.

Can God create another God?

Who said the Holy Trinity did not do this to other people? We know that Adam and Eve did not have original sin, they caused it.

What it is different in Saint Mary?

The dogma of original sin defined in the Council of Trent excluded the Blessed Virgin Mary. It was said in Ineffabilis Deus, 1894, Pope Pius IX:

Supreme Reason for the Privilege: The Divine Maternity
And indeed it was wholly fitting that so wonderful a mother should be ever resplendent with the glory of most sublime holiness and so completely free from all taint of original sin that she would triumph utterly over the ancient serpent.

For Adam and Eve, the Council of Trent, Session V (June 17, 1546), the dogma of faith was stated:

(Denzinger old numbering, 788)
Decree on Original Sin
I. If anyone does not confess that the first man Adam, when he had transgressed the commandment of God in Paradise, immediately lost his holiness and the justice in which he had been established, and that he incurred through the offense of that prevarication the wrath and indignation of God and hence the death with which God had previously threatened him, and with death captivity under his power, who thenceforth “had the empire of death” [Heb. 2:14], that is of the devil, and that through that offense of prevarication the entire Adam was transformed in body and soul for the worse [see n. 174], let him be anathema.

 

[Inbonum]

Can God create another God?

God is only one so why would He do that?
God wasn’t created, He has always existed.
If there’s one then there is no another one.

Your question could be translated into “Can God create another Himself?”
It is maybe possible in term of His power but not in term of God’s nature. That would be somehow defective and monstrous.

So how we came from Immaculate Conception to this question?

 

[pohandes]

The dogma of original sin defined in the Council of Trent excluded the Blessed Virgin Mary. It was said in Ineffabilis Deus , 1894, Pope Pius IX:

Supreme Reason for the Privilege: The Divine Maternity
And indeed it was wholly fitting that so wonderful a mother should be ever resplendent with the glory of most sublime holiness and so completely free from all taint of original sin that she would triumph utterly over the ancient serpent.

OK. If it is possible to be excluded, why Did not God do it to us?

 

[pohandes]

God is only one so why would He do that?
God wasn’t created, He has always existed.
If there’s one then there is no another one.

Your question could be translated into “Can God create another Himself?”
It is maybe possible in term of His power but not in term of God’s nature. That would be somehow defective and monstrous.

So how we came from Immaculate Conception to this question?

So it is wrong to say “God can do everything but God does not do everything we want.”

 

[Vico]

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OK. If it is possible to be excluded, why Did not God do it to us?

Catechism of the Catholic Church

404 … The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”.293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. …

293 St. Thomas Aquinas, De Malo 4,1.

 

[pohandes]

Catechism of the Catholic Church

404 … The whole human race is in Adam “as one body of one man”.293 By this “unity of the human race” all men are implicated in Adam’s sin, as all are implicated in Christ’s justice. …

293 St. Thomas Aquinas, De Malo 4,1.

Saint Mary was one person in the whole human race.

 

[CaptainPrudeman]

It was a response to post 3, why Mary was conceived without original sin but not anyone else.