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Is God bound by time and space? No, He created both of them.
Can God save a human being at their conception and not later in their lives? Yes, because He is God and can choose to do so.
If you could create your own mother, how would you create her? The best human being there could possibly be, right?
If you are God and you create your own mother, then that woman would have to be very holy indeed.
Can God save a human being at their conception and not later in their lives? Yes, because He is God and can choose to do so.
If you could create your own mother, how would you create her? The best human being there could possibly be, right?
If you are God and you create your own mother, then that woman would have to be very holy indeed.
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Inbonum
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It is not wrong.
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Wesrock
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Are you saying not even God can do so?
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stpurl
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Well you know, God created Adam and Eve without sin.
Did it stop them from sinning?
Crickets. . . .
It didn’t.
Suppose He then ensured that Cain, Abel, and Seth (and all other children of Adam and Eve) were created without sin.
Would that have stopped Cain’s fratricide? No, it wouldn’t, because it has already been established that being created without sin does NOT ensure that the person so created might not choose to sin later.
That meaning the case, all humanity has been ‘weakened’, because ‘wiping out’ the sin of Adam and Eve would still not ensure that further humans would not sin. By the time you would get to Noah and the flood, you would have pretty much the same situation there was then, by that time just about everybody but infants had personal sin that was not repented except Noah and his family at the time of the Flood. They were saved. And yet, one of Noah’s sons after the flood himself chose to sin and was banished. So not even all those righteous enough to be saved from the Flood would keep from great sin.
Ok.
Separate issue.
God chose to send Jesus to be born of a woman.
Symbolically all through Scriptures, when God has been present, where He stands is holy ground. Where the Holy of Holies which represented Him was placed into the Ark of the Covenant, the Ark itself was made holy—so holy that a person could not even touch the ark, even to ‘protect’ it. That person would be killed.
Jesus would be fully, totally present as an infant in a human mother. To fully show the foreshadowed holiness of the Ark, Jesus’ mother, herself a New Ark, needed to be as absolutely holy.
Again, is this about humanity and ‘us’? No it is about Jesus. What is required of His Mother differs from what is required of us. He is a man like us “in all things but sin”, **including ** the heritage all other humans inherit from our mothers.
How is Mary different? She is, in fact, saved by Jesus Exactly like every other human being is who cooperates with God. We are all, every one, saved by Jesus, and ONLY by Jesus.
The difference is that Jesus saved Mary before her conception In order to fulfill all righteousness and to bring to fulfillment the great prophecy and testimony from the Old Testament.
It is all about Jesus and who He is.
Did it stop them from sinning?
Crickets. . . .
It didn’t.
Suppose He then ensured that Cain, Abel, and Seth (and all other children of Adam and Eve) were created without sin.
Would that have stopped Cain’s fratricide? No, it wouldn’t, because it has already been established that being created without sin does NOT ensure that the person so created might not choose to sin later.
That meaning the case, all humanity has been ‘weakened’, because ‘wiping out’ the sin of Adam and Eve would still not ensure that further humans would not sin. By the time you would get to Noah and the flood, you would have pretty much the same situation there was then, by that time just about everybody but infants had personal sin that was not repented except Noah and his family at the time of the Flood. They were saved. And yet, one of Noah’s sons after the flood himself chose to sin and was banished. So not even all those righteous enough to be saved from the Flood would keep from great sin.
Ok.
Separate issue.
God chose to send Jesus to be born of a woman.
Symbolically all through Scriptures, when God has been present, where He stands is holy ground. Where the Holy of Holies which represented Him was placed into the Ark of the Covenant, the Ark itself was made holy—so holy that a person could not even touch the ark, even to ‘protect’ it. That person would be killed.
Jesus would be fully, totally present as an infant in a human mother. To fully show the foreshadowed holiness of the Ark, Jesus’ mother, herself a New Ark, needed to be as absolutely holy.
Again, is this about humanity and ‘us’? No it is about Jesus. What is required of His Mother differs from what is required of us. He is a man like us “in all things but sin”, **including ** the heritage all other humans inherit from our mothers.
How is Mary different? She is, in fact, saved by Jesus Exactly like every other human being is who cooperates with God. We are all, every one, saved by Jesus, and ONLY by Jesus.
The difference is that Jesus saved Mary before her conception In order to fulfill all righteousness and to bring to fulfillment the great prophecy and testimony from the Old Testament.
It is all about Jesus and who He is.
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pohandes
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Good explaination, but you did not answer to my question. Why did go do not this for the others?
Why was not it fitting for everyone else in general?
Saint Mary is a perfect human. If this can happen to her, so it can happen to us.
God can. Please read post 3.
The question is not why God did it to her. It is: Why God did not do it to us?
I do not why God did not stop us from sinning. I’m saying: if a human can be born without Original sin, Why did god did it just for Saint Mary and Lord Jesus?
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Fauken
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Jesus is God. That’s why He wasn’t born with original sin. Mary was born without it because of the importance of that which she would hold in her womb: like a king’s goblet being made of gold. Also, Adam and Eve were born without original sin.
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CaptainPrudeman
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That is why God didn’t do it for others. Read it again if you didn’t understand.
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pohandes
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If God did let Adam’s children born wothout original sin, it was possible to us to born without Original Sin. This is the problem.
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GioG12
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You mean that God created the problem?
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Vico
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The others were not the Mother of God.
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pohandes
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She bocame Mother of God, after begetting Jesus, before that she was not mother of God.
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Inbonum
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But she had to be “prepared” which means she had to be conceived without a sin. She didn’t become sinless after His birth. She was Mother of God in Father’s plan even before she became that phisycally.
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pohandes
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???
Ok. That’s true, but I am asking another question: Why did God didn’t do it for Adam’s children? If he did it then it was not necessary to be incarnated and suffer and sacrifice his son. This is the problem
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Inbonum
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We don’t have definitive answer on that question. God knows why.
Read answers above to understand it better.
Read answers above to understand it better.
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Vico
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Known, even at the moment of her conception, by the omniscient Holy Trinity.Vico:
She bocame Mother of God, after begetting Jesus, before that she was not mother of God.
In another post you asked: “Why did God didn’t do it for Adam’s children?”
It is a necessary test, fitting in general to each. Each person must confirm their charity in order to receive the reward of the vision of the Holy Trinity in heaven. A person that has not freely chosen charity by the end of their life, but instead finally chooses malice, will not be able to have the Beatific Vision in heaven, nor glorification of the body. The reward in heaven will be more or less depending upon the merit (due to living a holy life) acquired during the person’s lifetime.
Catechism of the Catholic Church
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pohandes
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sure.
Do you mean that We don’t have definitive answer on that question and God knows why?
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Fauken
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It’s hardly a problem. We have baptism which washes away Original Sin and are born again.
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Vico
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I am saying that the Holy Trinity is omniscient, so knew the the Virgin Mary would say yes. “He knows all real things in the past, present, and the future by his knowledge of vision.” – Modern Catholic DictionaryInbonum:
sure.
Do you mean that We don’t have definitive answer on that question and God knows why?
Luke 1
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