Intelligence founded God, so Man is God

[godfree12]

I would like to argue that the universe is life, and that life evolved to such a point that it became intelligent. This intelligence could not explain its being, so it concluded that God(s) had created the universe it inhabited. I could also argue that God(s) is used to explain everything intelligence could not explain.

Basically, intelligence created God, so intelligence is God. Man is God. Sacrilege?

 

[survive]

Sure, but also absurdity.
Man is God because intelligence is God? So A: Man is intelligence
B: intelligence is God
therefore
C: Man is God?
Both premises are based upon nothing.
The universe came to life? Why? And where did it come from?
It has intelligence? Where did that come from?
A living, intelligent universe forgets it came to life without God and invents God and then this proves it is God?
It’s a bit Shirley-MacLaine-ish, and very blurry, and I would reject it even if I didn’t already know what I believe.

 

[godfree12]

I’ll clarify.

By way of evolution(I did not want to use this word because of it’s proscribed enemies), but yes, by way of evolution matter came to create the galaxies, the solar system, the earth, and the oxygen on it. The single celled organisms etc. evolved with the oxygen into multi celled organisms, into rats, into monkeys, eventually into man. So intelligence too evolved in man; from caveman, to nomad, to nation. It was the ability to take in the universe.

Alongside the journey of intelligence superstition evolved and came to explain what intelligence could not explain: why we’re here, who put us here, where we are going, etc.

So, intelligence, man, created this superstition. This superstitious creator evolved in his head, and so the secret to the universe, God, is in his head. His mind is God. He is God.

 

[teachccd]

WOW!! You have WAAAAYYYYYY more faith than I do. I believe that there is an eternal God who created everything. You believe that something came from nothing and then put itself together so perfectly that it could eventually become the ultimate intelligence that you call God. So from the particles, of which you fail to inform me of their origin, they systematically order themselves into the complex universe that we have and some of these particles said," Hey let’s make ourselves into intelligent beings and then we’ll call ourselves God."

Yea, that’s probable… teachccd

 

[teachccd]

I’ll clarify…

So, intelligence, man, created this superstition. This superstitious creator evolved in his head, and so the secret to the universe, God, is in his head. His mind is God. He is God.

Yup! That cleared things up!!

 

[PaulAndrew83]

Since contingent beings exist then a non-contingent being must exist to provide the external cause of said contingent beings.

Or you can be like bertrand russell who said that trying to explain existence was meaningless.

Paul

 

[warpspeedpetey]

I’ll clarify.

By way of evolution(I did not want to use this word because of it’s proscribed enemies), but yes, by way of evolution matter came to create the galaxies, the solar system, the earth, and the oxygen on it. The single celled organisms etc. evolved with the oxygen into multi celled organisms, into rats, into monkeys, eventually into man. So intelligence too evolved in man; from caveman, to nomad, to nation. It was the ability to take in the universe.

Alongside the journey of intelligence superstition evolved and came to explain what intelligence could not explain: why we’re here, who put us here, where we are going, etc.

So, intelligence, man, created this superstition. This superstitious creator evolved in his head, and so the secret to the universe, God, is in his head. His mind is God. He is God.

so what did this matter evolve from? i think ccd may be right, that takes alot of faith unless you know something we dont

 

[Michael_David]

As long as one stays in the so-called ‘when’ ‘where’ and ‘how’… it kinda sorta fits. But when one gets to the ‘why’ (with the intelligence he now has)… it kinda sorta falls apart.

Also, if my hand can type this post (as it is doing), then it must have intelligence and therefore a brain… so, since my hand has a brain, it can be removed and still type the next post. Good luck with that, it is connected to the arm and on up to where the ‘real’ brain is.

 

[godfree12]

We evolved from monkeys, which evolved from rats, which evolved from birds, which evolved dinosaurs, which evolved from frogs, which evolved from fish, which evolved from multi-celled organisms, which evolved from the same single celled organisms that evolved through chemical processes that gave the Earth its water, atmosphere, and oxygen rich environment. Those organisms evolved from the certain circumstances, which may have taken a million years to arise but still had a 1 in a million chance of arising, that allowed Earth to be the only planet within at least our solar system, maybe the universe, with the capability of sustaining life, as we know it. Only these circumstances: Sun, distance from sun, etc. have given Earth life.

Our intelligence evolved out of the necessity of our former barbaric state to conquer it’s challenges. Apes developed problem solving in their attempt to eat termites, and natural selection killed off the apes who didn’t adapt to the new resource of termite sustenance - who didn’t have the ability of problem solving.

The same could be said for the single celled organisms which gave the Earth its atmosphere. One cell developed out of two different elemental meteorites that perhaps crashed on Earth and perhaps further reacted with the resources present on the planet. I don’t know the exact process… And those organisms grew, died, overcame, and in the end sustained life, as we know it. Circumstance, chance, fortune, luck, or odds chose this planet, but it could be the same somewhere else in the infinite abyss.

Intelligence, which I say arose out of natural selection, developed over time to create spears, to create communities, to harvest crops, and the intelligence which gained harvesting-farming first, by way of natural selection, overcame the intelligence of hunter-gatherers.

Eventually intelligence, as we call it, found a concept that could lead them to social stability; a concept to explain some years of crop failure, and a concept of explaining their being on Earth. Intelligence founded gods of the harvest, gods of the Earth’s conception, gods of good health, gods of happiness, and gods of fertility. AND this intelligence with this acquired confidence of knowing why things were the way they were, perhaps went to war with other societies of intelligence. The confidence of gods, by way of natural selection, overcame the confidence of barbarism.

So, in our stage, monotheism has conquered polytheism, polytheism has conquered barbarism. It all seems to me like evolution by way of natural selection.

Except the next step is to realize evolution. To take hold of our evolution, and proclaim ourselves God. We, throughout history created God, created Catholicism, created the bible. Jesus created his words, and as he states: “the kingdom of heaven is at hand”.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

I would like to argue that the universe is life, and that life evolved to such a point that it became intelligent. This intelligence could not explain its being, so it concluded that God(s) had created the universe it inhabited. I could also argue that God(s) is used to explain everything intelligence could not explain.

Basically, intelligence created God, so intelligence is God. Man is God. Sacrilege?

Hmm… are you a member of New Age? Because if this is truly your opinion, I think you may be very interested in the New Age teachings.

Ironically Yours, Blade and Blood

 

[joseph_virgen]

whenever anyone brings up intelligence and creation, i can’t help but remember drakes equation. it simply states that seven factors have to be in place for intelligence to “happen”.

1 the number of stars inj the milky way galaxy----times
2 the fraction of stars that have planets around them—times
3 the number of planets per star that are capable of sustaining life-----times
4 the fraction of those planets where life actually evolves,----times
5the fraction of these where the life that evolves is intelligent-time
6the fraction of these that actually developed the ability to communicate—times
7the fraction of these planets’ life during which the ability to communicate overlaps with others or ours.

answer-----------don’t put all your eggs in one basket.

 

[godfree12]

It’s quite selfish and arrogant to assume our planet was created by one Lord, and that we’re the only intelligence in an INFINITE universe. Where there is plenty of room for coincidence to take its toll. Christian, and Islamic authority etc. are so blatantly ignorant.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

It’s quite selfish and arrogant to assume our planet was created by one Lord, and that we’re the only intelligence in an INFINITE universe. Where there is plenty of room for coincidence to take its toll. Christian, and Islamic authority etc. are so blatantly ignorant.

No kidding. But we’re gonna have to live with each other for quite awhile.

It’s always fun to consider the existence of Life on other planets. Unfortunately, I don’t think we will ever come into contact with them, assuming that they do exist. But if we’re truly the only life forms in Universe, we are in BIG trouble.

 

[teachccd]

It’s quite selfish and arrogant to assume our planet was created by one Lord, and that we’re the only intelligence in an INFINITE universe. Where there is plenty of room for coincidence to take its toll. Christian, and Islamic authority etc. are so blatantly ignorant.

I find it quite interesting how you capitalize God, Lord, Christian, Jesus…makes me think…

And your theory of how you get to enjoy this life without giving credit to your Creator I find to be the epitome of arrogance and selfishness…teachccd

 

[teachccd]

We, throughout history created God,

Interesting how, in your opinion, we needed to find the need… teachccd

 

[Michael_David]

I would like to argue that the universe is life, and that life evolved to such a point that it became intelligent. This intelligence could not explain its being, so it concluded that God(s) had created the universe it inhabited. I could also argue that God(s) is used to explain everything intelligence could not explain.

Basically, intelligence created God, so intelligence is God. Man is God. Sacrilege?

Well now. If man is God, and we got here after the universe was created, how did we create the universe in our absence? And in our evolution, at earlier stages we were not intelligent enough to know or think how the earth got here much less create it. And if you go with evolution at all, we are one link on the progressive chain, who says we are the last and most superior to be on that chain? In another 1000 years, we may look like the monkey to the next ‘remake’ of the human race, or the next one after that, or whatever they are called then.

And yes, in this big universe of ours in which we do not even know the limits of yet, there could be more like us, sprung up from there planets like we did. Even in our own Milky Way we are the third band stretching out from the core; there is a forth band which is older then us (imagine how intelligent those being out there are with their thousands of years head start); and two younger bands closer to the core (these must be still in the monkey stage and without intelligence… YET!). And how many Galaxies are out there???

All this leads to some other Being for the creation. Considering the time it would take to get to Andromeda, the next nearest Galaxy. Our life span is too short to accomplish it, even at the speed of light. And how did we get this pile of dirt here and get the pile of dirt spinning around us some 250K miles out in orbit? How did we get this earth spinning around the sun so we could live here as we do?

And if the whole thing started with a Big Bang, how come all the stars, planets, moons, galaxies are ‘spinning’ in circular motions rather then going straight out as it would from a dynamite blast? Why all the spinning instead of the linear motion? How did we get the earth spinning?

Intelligence comes up short in trying to answer these questions of observation. If you create something, you know how you did it… and why you did it. The mind can’t answer those questions on the universe.

God is God; Intelligence is intelligence; east is east and west is west.

 

[godfree12]

Well now. If man is God, and we got here after the universe was created, how did we create the universe in our absence?

Alright, the universe is life as we know it. We did not create it. It created us. It also through our intelligence created God.

The only way we return to monkeys is if we kill off all the sentient beings with superior genes to monkeys. Nuclear Holocaust perhaps. But, I guess that would kill everything, and the universe would keep expanding without Earth… But, the cockroaches would live on.

And yes, in this big universe of ours in which we do not even know the limits of yet, there could be more like us, sprung up from there planets like we did. Even in our own Milky Way we are the third band stretching out from the core; there is a forth band which is older then us (imagine how intelligent those being out there are with their thousands of years head start); and two younger bands closer to the core (these must be still in the monkey stage and without intelligence… YET!). And how many Galaxies are out there???

I like where your going with this. Someday we’ll know. Not today, but how about let’s progress towards that day instead of meditating on our selfish sins.

All this leads to some other Being for the creation.

Whatever gives you that CONFIDENCE over your purpose… It doesn’t give me confidence because we start dwelling on our own selfishness in the process. The papacy in the 16th century for example: as corrupt as you could get those days, and in power by the ‘word of God’.

Considering the time it would take to get to Andromeda, the next nearest Galaxy. Our life span is too short to accomplish it, even at the speed of light. And how did we get this pile of dirt here and get the pile of dirt spinning around us some 250K miles out in orbit? How did we get this earth spinning around the sun so we could live here as we do?

Just think of humanity as one giant infestation. The Earth was damp enough for the infestation to grow and thrive. It creation is in the coincidences… That, although may take a million years to arise, do arise sooner or later. Time is quite irrelevant in an infinite universe.

And if the whole thing started with a Big Bang, how come all the stars, planets, moons, galaxies are ‘spinning’ in circular motions rather then going straight out as it would from a dynamite blast? Why all the spinning instead of the linear motion? How did we get the earth spinning?

This is astro-physics. Ask Stephen Hawking. I am talking conceptually.

If you create something, you know how you did it… and why you did it. The mind can’t answer those questions on the universe.
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We did not create the universe if that’s what you’re getting at. The universe is. It’s as simple as that.

If you mean creating God, well intelligence created God(s) so it could feel that confidence in the next year’s harvest after they sacrificed some calves to the goddess Hera. Christians feel confident reading and living out of the Holy Bible. It’s inspiring.

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[Michael_David]

Godfree quote:“Alright, the universe is life as we know it. We did not create it. It created us. It also through our intelligence created God.”

So, what you are saying is that since the universe created us (and our intelligence in the process), that it is this mind that has done a reversal and created God… just by it’s being created.

Quote:“I like where your going with this. Someday we’ll know. Not today, but how about let’s progress towards that day instead of meditating on our selfish sins.”

How does “meditating on our selfish sins” play into this looking at the universe and our own Milky Way Galaxy?

Quote:“Whatever gives you that CONFIDENCE over your purpose… It doesn’t give me confidence because we start dwelling on our own selfishness in the process.”

Here again, I only confidently stated that the universe was created by other then us… whom I happen to call God. And again, this is “dwelling on our own selfishness”… how?

Quote:“We did not create the universe if that’s what you’re getting at. The universe is. It’s as simple as that.”

Ah yes, the universe IS… but don’t you ask the How and the Why the universe IS? Of which we are a product of by our very existence, OR, perhaps we are not a product of it… then what are we?

Quote:“Christians feel confident reading and living out of the Holy Bible. It’s inspiring.”

And where does your confidence come from?

 

[teachccd]

Michael David;4499323:

The universe is. It’s as simple as that.

WOW!! That’s it??? Well, I can sleep better tonight with that conclusive knowledge…teachccd

 

[grannymh]

As long as one stays in the so-called ‘when’ ‘where’ and ‘how’… it kinda sorta fits. But when one gets to the ‘why’ (with the intelligence he now has)… it kinda sorta falls apart.

Also, if my hand can type this post (as it is doing), then it must have intelligence and therefore a brain… so, since my hand has a brain, it can be removed and still type the next post. Good luck with that, it is connected to the arm and on up to where the ‘real’ brain is.

small addition to your “why” above. The complete phrase which needs to be answered is Who? How? What? When? Where? Why? and Cost?