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warpspeedpetey
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can you offer any evidence or logical argument at all concerning your assertions?[Edited]
Dogma rules the mind of man.
they would seem to be refuted by very simple logic. do you know something that we dont?
the number of adherents should have no effect on truth, if you have evidence, or a supporting argument.
if you dont then you are most likely wrong.
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quaestio
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Just out of interest: What specific problem was solved concerning termite consumption?Our intelligence evolved out of the necessity of our former barbaric state to conquer it’s challenges. Apes developed problem solving in their attempt to eat termites, and natural selection killed off the apes who didn’t adapt to the new resource of termite sustenance - who didn’t have the ability of problem solving.
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mercygate
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I know! I know! Chimpanzees use a long twig to get into the termite burrow and draw the critters out on it. I.e. They use a tool.Just out of interest: What specific problem was solved concerning termite consumption?
Now, when they learn to make bouillabaise I’ll sit up and take notice.
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cpayne
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You might want to read “Anthropic Coincidences” by physicist Stephen Barr. It’s available on the firstthings.com website if you use their search bar.C’mon now old chap try to think a little deeper. What do all the other stars in the universe do other than “mindlessly produce”? And don’t answer me: ‘to be the stars in our sky.’ Why would God create all the other galaxies, stars, planets, life, and black holes that we haven’t seen if they’re there for nothing?
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I doubt that you will look this up and read it. However, you do need to do some research and be more careful in your scientific statements. You may have noticed other agnostics/atheists are not wading in here to help you out. The reason may be they are a bit embarrassed at your account of evolution. Or your account of the properties of the physical universe. Or your account of human consciousness and intelligence. Or----well, you get the picture. I would recommend: :coffeeread: :coffeeread: :coffeeread: some more reading.
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MarkInOregon
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Whats funny about this is that those who say things like this can’t see that the same thing could be said about them and their view. Its like the purveyors of tolerance who are intolerant with anyone who doesnt think like they do.It’s quite selfish and arrogant to assume our planet was created by one Lord, and that we’re the only intelligence in an INFINITE universe. Where there is plenty of room for coincidence to take its toll. Christian, and Islamic authority etc. are so blatantly ignorant.
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MarkInOregon
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I have a question for you–where did matter come from? Did it always exist? If you think it always existed–how can you claim it is crazy for people to believe in God who always existed? If matter didn’t always exist – where did it come from? Doesn’t having it come from nothing–violate some scientific principle?I see know reason anymore to follow a 1,500 year old book(estimated guess). The Bible has caused an incredible amount of hate, intolerance, murder, intimidation, and closed mindedness. Jesus was the son of God, just as we are the children of God. The children of a God created as such. Error Alert. The Bible did not cause hate, intolerance, murder, intimidation, and close mindedness. (If you ask me you are exhibiting the same close mindedness you accuse Christians of having–only you think yours is the enlighten view so its not closed minded to dismiss other theories–in you less than humble opinion). All the things you describe existed long before any book in the Bible was written. People have attempted to use the Bible to justify their actions–even when those actions are in conflict with the teaching in the Bible and you can’t hold the Bible responsible for that.
Where did it come from?
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godfree12
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I believe it has always been here. In some form or another being is infinite. Matter is infinite. Therefore it is irrelevant where it comes from. Creation is irrelevant. Evolution is infinite.Where did it come from?
Some would confront me: “Then how do you answer our being here?”
Sartre would answer them: “Being is in itself.”
My brashness is somewhat uncalled for. I respect God, I just think the next step is becoming God. Stepping into the Kingdom of Heaven, if you will, makes us all gods.
Only when minds are free from their controllers will that be possible.
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KingAlfred
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Existence is a mystery Man has always struggled to solve. Perhaps in time, he’ll definitively figure it out. Personally, I can only understand it through the life and teachings of Jesus Christ, and His church.I would like to argue that the universe is life, and that life evolved to such a point that it became intelligent. This intelligence could not explain its being, so it concluded that God(s) had created the universe it inhabited. I could also argue that God(s) is used to explain everything intelligence could not explain.
Basically, intelligence created God, so intelligence is God. Man is God. Sacrilege?
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fhansen
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Your Op actually spells it out quite well in one sense, I think. If God hadn’t chosen to reveal Himself man would-and actually did via philosophers-invent Him because He just makes so much sense. Anytime we introduce, even in the smallest way, the notion that reason may be involved in any law, plan, design, or system of nature-that there may be some reason why life strives towards improvement, for example-then we’ve introduced the idea that mind/intelligence must come first in some capacity. And for this mind we use the term “God”, for one.I believe it has always been here. In some form or another being is infinite. Matter is infinite. Therefore it is irrelevant where it comes from. Creation is irrelevant. Evolution is infinite.
Some would confront me: “Then how do you answer our being here?”
Sartre would answer them: “Being is in itself.”
My brashness is somewhat uncalled for. I respect God, I just think the next step is becoming God. Stepping into the Kingdom of Heaven, if you will, makes us all gods.
Only when minds are free from their controllers will that be possible.
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redneck22
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That is an interesting philosophy but unfortunately, and as usual with atheism, science is against you. Matter and energy cannot be infinite since they are running downhill, out of energy, out of order and nothing can put humpty back together again.I believe it has always been here. In some form or another being is infinite. Matter is infinite. Therefore it is irrelevant where it comes from. Creation is irrelevant. Evolution is infinite.
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godfree12
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Except it never completely runs out of energy!That is an interesting philosophy but unfortunately, and as usual with atheism, science is against you. Matter and energy cannot be infinite since they are running downhill, out of energy, out of order and nothing can put humpty back together again.
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godfree12
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I think I agree with you to some extent.Your Op actually spells it out quite well in one sense, I think. If God hadn’t chosen to reveal Himself man would-and actually did via philosophers-invent Him because He just makes so much sense. Anytime we introduce, even in the smallest way, the notion that reason may be involved in any law, plan, design, or system of nature-that there may be some reason why life strives towards improvement, for example-then we’ve introduced the idea that mind/intelligence must come first in some capacity. And for this mind we use the term “God”, for one.
It just feels like modern day society’s sense of God, through religion, is very closed minded. Islam, for example to the idea of social progression, and social evolution.
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redneck22
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That doesn’t make sense, since all energy is running out. Even if all the matter in the universe was converted to heat and light it would all eventually turn cold. Cold= absense of heat.Except it never completely runs out of energy!
But of course you may believe something outside the universe is adding energy, but there is no evidence of this.
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godfree12
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The Law of Conservation of Energy states: “energy cannot be created or destroyed”That doesn’t make sense, since all energy is running out. Even if all the matter in the universe was converted to heat and light it would all eventually turn cold. Cold= absense of heat.
But of course you may believe something outside the universe is adding energy, but there is no evidence of this.
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redneck22
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…but gets converted to less and less useful forms. Burnt wood becomes a pile of ash, nuclear fuel becomes radioactive waste etc etc the heat and light they produce is gone. So to answer your assertion, I believe it makes Creation relevant since science will always support it.The Law of Conservation of Energy states: “energy cannot be created or destroyed”
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godfree12
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Your assertion is confined to the human experience. "Useful"ness in the universe does not concern the human experience. There is not usefulness in the universe because the universe is not dependent on anything. The universe’s existence is in itself.…but gets converted to less and less useful forms. Burnt wood becomes a pile of ash, nuclear fuel becomes radioactive waste etc etc the heat and light they produce is gone. So to answer your assertion, I believe it makes Creation relevant since science will always support it.
And any chemistry class, physics class, or knowledgeable high school student can tell you that the reaction does not support “Creation”.
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