Intelligent Design, Edward Feser's views

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Dan123 said:
Bob the Cat has 2 kids, now 3 people have that mutation. Bob’s 2 kids have 2 kids, now Bob, his 2 kids, and his 4 grandkids have it. Over time the Bob gene is providing the ever expanding lineage with some kind of increased likelihood of survival, so more and more of the population will have that mutation.
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Not necessarily. New information on the epigenetic side is showing that after a few generations it may be gone.
 
I see, so since you admit you knew positive mutations do occur then it was a lie, not simply being misinformed, when you said they were all negative or neutral. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
Dan123 said:
If the environment changes from A to B and animals adapt to B, that would be the new ‘normal’ for them.
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Their would have to be millions of perfectly tailor made environmental pressures, perfectly timed to affect random mutations.Their is just too huge of varieties of plants and animals on this planet to try and tribute it all to environmental changes.
 
If it doesn’t have a genetic component then it’s not part of evolutionary theory anyways. Mutations in this context are genetic and would be potentially passed to offspring.
 
MikeInVA said:
I think these small mutations you describe would be limited by the species. For example, some humans are genetically larger, e.g. Samoans and some are smaller, e.g. Pygmies. However, neither has sufficiently deviated from the baseline to become their won separate species or sub-species.

The closest thing I can think of to a gliding non-bird is a flying squirrel. They survive because they still maintain mobility when not gliding. I doubt something as ungainly as a gliding proto-bird would survive long enough to evolve true wings.
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It’s great that you bring up variations within human populations. If we look at Europeans vs Africans we can actually see some principles of evolution. In Africa, dark skin is a better mutation in the African sun so it’s a dominant trait. In Europe, lighter skin was better for vitamin D production is a less sunny region.

It’s small changes like that, which even thise can take a while, accumulating over a long time, that lead to speciation.
 
No, there wouldn’t need to be ‘perfect’ pressures, just pressures.
 
UPB is 10^150 not magic. It is beyond all the planck time events in the universe.
 
Dan123 said:
I see, so since you admit you knew positive mutations do occur then it was a lie, not simply being misinformed, when you said they were all negative or neutral. Thanks for clearing that up.
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You will not find a post that I denied a possible beneficial mutation. They are rare and usually confer another negative effect on the organism. The fact they are so rare and DNA fights them off makes macro-evolution tough to swallow.
 
MikeInVA said:
You’re assuming that the mutation passes, which I don’t think is a given.
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As with anything, :poop: happens. Sometimes beneficial mutations don’t get get passed down from,an individual. Sometimes an individual passes down harmful mutations. But the principle remains.
 
Techno2000 said:
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Dan123:
If the environment changes from A to B and animals adapt to B, that would be the new ‘normal’ for them.
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Their would have to be millions of perfectly tailor made environmental pressures, perfectly timed to affect random mutations.Their is just too huge of varieties of plants and animals on this planet to try and tribute it all to environmental changes.
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No, there isn’t.
 
An intelligent agent left a signature in the form of the heads on dead rocks.
 
mVitus said:
It’s great that you bring up variations within human populations. If we look at Europeans vs Africans we can actually see some principles of evolution. In Africa, dark skin is a better mutation in the African sun so it’s a dominant trait. In Europe, lighter skin was better for vitamin D production is a less sunny region.

It’s small changes like that, which even thise can take a while, accumulating over a long time, that lead to speciation.
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Adaptation! No one argues micro-evolution aka adaptation.
 
No, they just insist that there is a boundary beyond which adaptation cannot push, that suddenly becomes a different thing called “macro-evolution.” But there is no reason that should be the case.
 
I love how all these so-called environmental pressures worked in Perfect Harmony to produce all the millions of different plants and animals species that is on the planet today. :roll_eyes:
 
Critical lack of artichokes in the environment obviously.

You keep repeating that there must be perfection in environment pressures. You pretend you’re looking for answers but you’re just looking to repeat your false assumptions.
 
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