Intelligent Design

[Zundrah]

Stars are self sustaining are they not? More so than life?

PRECISELY! Chemical cycle (just like life - and therefore why it changes/ mutates/ evolves)!

 

[edwest2]

Stars are self sustaining are they not? More so than life?

Stars are not living things. Human beings have souls, which means they cannot be scientifically compared to stars.

Also, scientists cannot take the ‘building blocks of life’ (amino acids), put them in a jar, shake and have bits of life floating around. It cannot be done.

Peace,
Ed

 

[tjm190]

Stars are not living things. Human beings have souls, which means they cannot be scientifically compared to stars.

Also, scientists cannot take the ‘building blocks of life’ (amino acids), put them in a jar, shake and have bits of life floating around. It cannot be done.

Peace,
Ed

But you don’t object to say, a chimp being compared to stars?

And let’s be honest, what’s more likely to happen? The artificial life or artificial stars?

 

[buffalo]

PRECISELY! Chemical cycle (just like life - and therefore why it changes/ mutates/ evolves)!

Organisms do not need to eat?

 

[edwest2]

“God” has a goal. Physical matter does not, that my friend is impossible. Imformation is already there in genetics but new imformation gathers through time and no it does not come out of thin air (obviously ) it mutates according to environmental contitions (it was already there) and… of course it mutates in order to keep up with other creatures abilities - but that will require to much explanation.

Nonsense. The first cell had, for the sake of argument, one page of instructions. More complex forms of life have thousands of pages of instructions.

Life began on a blank slate. It had no information to work with, at all, but we’re told to accept the idea that life appeared on its own via “natural” and unknown processes. Then, for no particular reason, it became more complex. It began to sprout other organs, and to continue to increase in complexity for no particular reason. DNA information is highly conserved and has built-in spell-checking. The idea that a series of mutations giving rise to a complex system means each step had to be randomly mutated and “naturally” selected. Nope. An Intelligence had to be involved, if such a process occurred.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

But you don’t object to say, a chimp being compared to stars?

And let’s be honest, what’s more likely to happen? The artificial life or artificial stars?

And where are you going with this?

Peace,
Ed

 

[tjm190]

Nonsense. The first cell had, for the sake of argument, one page of instructions. More complex forms of life have thousands of pages of instructions.

Life began on a blank slate.

yes

It had no information to work with, at all, but we’re told to accept the idea that life appeared on its own via “natural” and unknown processes.

Yes

Then, for no particular reason, it became more complex. It began to sprout other organs, and to continue to increase in complexity for no particular reason.

What would compete more effectively, a simple organism or a complex one?

DNA information is highly conserved and has built-in spell-checking.

Who says that trait has always been present? If this was as effective as you make it out to be, we wouldn’t witness microevolution.

The idea that a series of mutations giving rise to a complex system means each step had to be randomly mutated and “naturally” selected.

A system gains complexity when certain mutations ‘build’ upon others.

Nope. An Intelligence had to be involved, if such a process occurred.

Peace,
Ed

False

 

[tjm190]

And where are you going with this?

Peace,
Ed

Scale, complexity, and self assembly do not imply design

 

[buffalo]

yes
Yes
What would compete more effectively, a simple organism or a complex one?
Who says that trait has always been present? If this was as effective as you make it out to be, we wouldn’t witness microevolution.

The idea that a series of mutations giving rise to a complex system means each step had to be randomly mutated and “naturally” selected. A system gains complexity when certain mutations ‘build’ upon others.

False

A simple one. Less to break. And in the beginning what was the competition? Why did the first cell even care if it lived? What motivated it to even reproduce?

 

[tjm190]

A simple one. Less to break. And in the beginning what was the competition? Why did the first cell even care if it lived? What motivated it to even reproduce?

At first- but when this simple one began to ‘saturate’ its environment there would be an incentive to gain the ability to compete for resources. It didn’t ‘care.’ It just did- and continued doing so. And as it and its descendants continued, those that were ‘better’ were the ones that lived.

 

[Zundrah]

Organisms do not need to eat?

Consuming food is no different to sodium attaching to chlorine in order to make sodium chloride (salt) but the difference being that we (creatures) take the nutrients and then chuck it back out later rather than switch it for something elselike chemicals do. Do you not agree that physical matter and flesh does this? The two work the same. Chemicals go in, some go out and there is alot of chemistry inbetween!

Nonsense. The first cell had, for the sake of argument, one page of instructions. More complex forms of life have thousands of pages of instructions.

Life began on a blank slate. It had no information to work with, at all, but we’re told to accept the idea that life appeared on its own via “natural” and unknown processes. Then, for no particular reason, it became more complex. It began to sprout other organs, and to continue to increase in complexity for no particular reason. DNA information is highly conserved and has built-in spell-checking. The idea that a series of mutations giving rise to a complex system means each step had to be randomly mutated and “naturally” selected. Nope. An Intelligence had to be involved, if such a process occurred.

Peace,
Ed

Hang on a minite… do you think I am saying that we evolved from animals!? I never said that! I wouldn’t be catholic/ methodist if I believed that we evolved from animals! God made humans in the beginning just as they look now but if you deny evolution from then on (after creation) then how do you explain the intellectual and physical differences of humans from one nation to the next? Huh? Oh, and we can add colour of skin to this too!

 

[buffalo]

Hang on a minite… do you think I am saying that we evolved from animals!? I never said that! I wouldn’t be catholic/ methodist if I believed that we evolved from animals! God made humans in the beginning just as they look now but if you deny evolution from then on (after creation) then how do you explain the intellectual and physical differences of humans from one nation to the next? Huh? Oh, and we can add colour of skin to this too!

You are describing adaptation. No one argues this.

 

[Zundrah]

You are describing adaptation. No one argues this.

Brilliant! I can finaly rest my case (sigh).

 

[tjm190]

You are describing adaptation. No one argues this.

And would you agree that it is possible for one part of a population to become somehow isolated from the rest?

 

[buffalo]

And would you agree that it is possible for one part of a population to become somehow isolated from the rest?

Yup. Polar bears and grizzlies have become isolated. They are still bears.

 

[tjm190]

Yup. Polar bears and grizzlies have become isolated. They are still bears.

And they can’t produce viable (fertile) offspring- so, they’re different kinds. “bear” is just a name.

 

[Zundrah]

And would you agree that it is possible for one part of a population to become somehow isolated from the rest?

Open your eyes, look at chinese people, look at Africans, then look at all the other nations - and try to tell me that Adam and Eve had to be one black and one white!?

Does the bible say otherwise? If it does then I will think twice…

Yup. Polar bears and grizzlies have become isolated. They are still bears.

Yeah, tjm190, if adaption/ evolution doesn’t exist then how does our genetic structure build complete resistances towards deadly illnesses such as even colds and flus?

 

[tjm190]

Open your eyes, look at chinese people, look at Africans, then look at all the other nations - and try to tell me that Adam and Eve had to be one black and one white!?

Does the bible say otherwise? If it does then I will think twice…

I’m going to assume you pegged me as a creationist- however, I am not.

 

[buffalo]

Open your eyes, look at chinese people, look at Africans, then look at all the other nations - and try to tell me that Adam and Eve had to be one black and one white!?

Does the bible say otherwise? If it does then I will think twice…

Yeah, tjm190, if adaption/ evolution doesn’t exist then how does our genetic structure build complete resistances towards deadly illnesses such as even colds and flus?

The powerful DNA language can do mighty things. The second time your body sees a virus it remembers it and can stave it off.

 

[Zundrah]

And they can’t produce viable (fertile) offspring- so, they’re different kinds. “bear” is just a name.

This isn’t true. They CAN have cubs together. They just don’t is all. And anyway the cub would die because a black/ brown bear baby would never be able to live as its polar bear mother can (temprature etc).

Tigers and lions have already been mix bred in a zoo.