Interesting article on Tea Party Catholics

[LeafByNiggle]

Definitely. You are perfectly capable of enlightening yourself.

Well, one would think, from your posting, that you had a point to make, and a desire to be taken seriously. But when presented with the opportunity to cite some reference or give some other supporting evidence of your outlandish claim, or even hint at the particulars of that claim, you retreated. One wonders if you really know of any evidence at all that:

There’s a huge difference between legislating and ramming things through by threat and intimidation, which is the forte of this administration. and the left

…or is it just wishful thinking on your part?

 

[Della]

Well, one would think, from your posting, that you had a point to make, and a desire to be taken seriously. But when presented with the opportunity to cite some reference or give some other supporting evidence of your outlandish claim, or even hint at the particulars of that claim, you retreated. One wonders if you really know of any evidence at all that:

…or is it just wishful thinking on your part?

Well, one can think anything, can’t one? But okay, how about Acorn’s actions or the disaster of Obamacare or the administrations efforts to force Catholic institutions to violate Church teachings through the HHS mandate or Obama lying about not losing insurance carriers or the Benghazi debacle and on and on and on. Just a little cursory reading is evidence enough.

 

[Mickey_Finn]

I agree in large part with your responses to my posts. Except your declaration that the Tea Party must be gotten rid of. I don’t think any party needs to be gotten rid of, not even the ones I disagree with the most. As you know, of course, the USA is a democracy not a dictatorship. We need to hear all voices and all sides of every issue to make good decisions about how the country ought to be governed. As it is now, a good many voices are squashed so that only the prevailing opinion will be heard. This is wrong. I won’t let anyone tell me that if I differ with the administration I need to sit down and shut up. All sides, left and right, should have equal voice so that people can make informed decisions when they vote for candidates and positions, IMHO. I know that’s the ideal and probably won’t happen, but I cannot agree that we must shut up certain groups merely because we don’t like what they have to say. How we can truly compromise if we are only allowed to hear one side of an issue?

I’ll bend a little here. How about the TEA Party has to be pushed out of the Republican party. Much like the Birchers were. But they can remain intact as political, and social outcasts keeping company with rats?

 

[Della]

I’ll bend a little here. How about the TEA Party has to be pushed out of the Republican party. Much like the Birchers were. But they can remain intact as political, and social outcasts keeping company with rats?

That’s bending a little? Well, I don’t consider the average TPer equal to the Birchers. Most are people who simply don’t want the government running every aspect of their lives. Sure, there are some hard core wild-eyed fanatics in the TP, but there are some of those in every political party, whether acknowledged or not. I think you have been overly influenced by MSNBC, perhaps?

 

[Boatswain2PA]

Well, one would think, from your posting, that you had a point to make, and a desire to be taken seriously. But when presented with the opportunity to cite some reference or give some other supporting evidence of your outlandish claim, or even hint at the particulars of that claim, you retreated. One wonders if you really know of any evidence at all that:

…or is it just wishful thinking on your part?

I’ll help out. Here is an abbreviated list of subjects that were virtually ignored by the mainstream media (abc, nbc, cbs, McClatchy, Reuters, AP, etc). If the mainstream media did their jobs then you would know a lot more about these subjects.

1. President Obama’s close association with Jeremiah Wright, Bernadette Dorhn, Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko, etc.
2. Fast and Furious (it’s not just a video game). For more Holder debacles not reported, read about how he let the New Black Panthers off, or when he blatantly lied to Congress about not knowing about the investigation into James Rosen (Holder signed the affidavit).
3. Benghazi
4. IRS (and other federal agencies) targeting individuals and companies strictly because of their political beliefs.
5. Solyndra and other green energy “grants” that were given to friends of Obama - to start up companies that never, ever, had a chance of succeeding, yet the CEO’s (and Obama friends) received huge salaries.
6. Knowingly targeting American citizens with drone strikes without any sort of due process.

That’s a short list, right off the top of my head, that you will not find in-depth coverage in the main-stream media because they dont’ want to make Obama “look bad”

 

[Mickey_Finn]

That’s bending a little? Well, I don’t consider the average TPer equal to the Birchers. Most are people who simply don’t want the government running every aspect of their lives. Sure, there are some hard core wild-eyed fanatics in the TP, but there are some of those in every political party, whether acknowledged or not. I think you have been overly influenced by MSNBC, perhaps?

So, you reject my fair, and equitable solution. Well at least I tried.

Reference influence by MSNBC. I’m not really much of a fan. But I do like TP’er. Mind if I use it?

ATB

 

[Della]

So, you reject my fair, and equitable solution. Well at least I tried.

Reference influence by MSNBC. I’m not really much of a fan. But I do like TP’er. Mind if I use it?

ATB

Sure, feel free. :tiphat:

 

[ishii]

I’ll bend a little here. How about the TEA Party has to be pushed out of the Republican party. Much like the Birchers were. But they can remain intact as political, and social outcasts keeping company with rats?

Yes, those rats who merely do not want to saddle future generations with huge amounts of debt. Question: when will the rats be kicked out of the Democrat party? And, once the rats are kicked out, will there be any members left in the party?

 

[Mickey_Finn]

Yes, those rats who merely do not want to saddle future generations with huge amounts of debt. Question: when will the rats be kicked out of the Democrat party? And, once the rats are kicked out, will there be any members left in the party?

You would have to take that up with the Democrats.

Good morning Ishii!

 

[ishii]

You would have to take that up with the Democrats.

I thought that’s what I was doing in directing my post to you

Good morning Ishii!

Ohayo

 

[JohnMPhilomena]

I’ll bend a little here. How about the TEA Party has to be pushed out of the Republican party. Much like the Birchers were. But they can remain intact as political, and social outcasts keeping company with rats?

What do you call the Republican party once all the Tea Party and Conservatives leave it?

The Democrat party.

 

[Mickey_Finn]

What do you call the Republican party once all the Tea Party and Conservatives leave it?

HOME.

 

[ishii]

What do you call the Republican party once all the Tea Party and Conservatives leave it?

The Democrat party.

Good one. Or you call it the permanent minority status party - i.e. the party of GOP establishment.

 

[Mickey_Finn]

Good one. Or you call it the permanent minority status party - i.e. the party of GOP establishment.

That’s where they are heading as we speak. No where is a far right-wing party prospering in this world. Examples like Frances Front National, Party of Freedom in the Netherlands just to name a couple. These have minute representatives in office. Front National has zero in the French senate. These examples should be noted. After the last routing, I mean election. Republicans started a dialog about moving closer to the mainstream. But they were shouted down by the fanatics among them. Should they fail to overcome this problem they are looking at a bleak future.

Good morning Ishii.

 

[JohnMPhilomena]

That’s where they are heading as we speak. No where is a far right-wing party prospering in this world. Examples like Frances Front National, Party of Freedom in the Netherlands just to name a couple. These have minute representatives in office. Front National has zero in the French senate. These examples should be noted. After the last routing, I mean election. Republicans started a dialog about moving closer to the mainstream. But they were shouted down by the fanatics among them. Should they fail to overcome this problem they are looking at a bleak future.

Good morning Ishii.

If the Republicans continue to alienate Conservatives, I guarantee they will not win a presidential election in the foreseeable future.

Seriously - none of you moderates see a problem with the national debt?
Let’s summarize: (these numbers might be a little out of date)
The debt is $17 trillion.
Revenues we take in are around $2.9 trillion
We spend each year $3.8 trillion which is $900 billion ($0.9 trillion) more than we take in.
So each year that deficit gets added to the $17 trillion debt. Our GDP is only around $16 trillion.

The budget the house passed only trims something like $85 billion off the spending ($0.085 trillion) after 10 years. Nobody sees a problem with that?

On top of that the Fed is printing $85 billion a month ($1 trillion a year) in money and using it to buy toxic mortgages (bailing out banks via Quantitative Easing). There are 300 million americans in the country. If they gave that money directly to the American people it would be over $3000 each per year.

Somebody really has to explain how this is not a problem.

 

[Mickey_Finn]

If the Republicans continue to alienate Conservatives, I guarantee they will not win a presidential election in the foreseeable future.

Seriously - none of you moderates see a problem with the national debt?
Let’s summarize: (these numbers might be a little out of date)
The debt is $17 trillion.
Revenues we take in are around $2.9 trillion
We spend each year $3.8 trillion which is $900 billion ($0.9 trillion) more than we take in.
So each year that deficit gets added to the $17 trillion debt. Our GDP is only around $16 trillion.

The budget the house passed only trims something like $85 billion off the spending ($0.085 trillion) after 10 years. Nobody sees a problem with that?

On top of that the Fed is printing $85 billion a month ($1 trillion a year) in money and using it to buy toxic mortgages (bailing out banks via Quantitative Easing). There are 300 million americans in the country. If they gave that money directly to the American people it would be over $3000 each per year.

Somebody really has to explain how this is not a problem.

It’s not a good time to cut. Sorry if that does not settle well with your austerity fantasy. But lets face it, spending issues are nothing new nor will they end in our life time. Having temper tantrums, and shutting down the government only hurts our fellow Americans it doesn’t help.

 

[Della]

It’s not a good time to cut. Sorry if that does not settle well with your austerity fantasy. But lets face it, spending issues are nothing new nor will they end in our life time.

True, but it has gotten well out of hand. There are many areas that could be cut and no one would suffer in the least. Our government is rife with indulgence and overspending.

Having temper tantrums, and shutting down the government only hurts our fellow Americans it doesn’t help.

No one had a “temper tantrum”. A filibuster is perfectly legal and has been employed by both sides of the aisle. And no one was hurt. Those who were furloughed received back pay. The press made a tempest in a tea cup, but then that’s what we have come to expect from the MSM in their treatment of conservatives for the MSM is overwhelmingly in the pocket of the liberal left.

 

[CrossofChrist]

No where is a far right-wing party prospering in this world.

The Swiss People’s Party isn’t doing too bad. Same with Poland’s Law and Justice party. Just sayin’.

 

[Mickey_Finn]

True, but it has gotten well out of hand. There are many areas that could be cut and no one would suffer in the least. Our government is rife with indulgence and overspending.

No one had a “temper tantrum”. A filibuster is perfectly legal and has been employed by both sides of the aisle. And no one was hurt. Those who were furloughed received back pay. The press made a tempest in a tea cup, but then that’s what we have come to expect from the MSM in their treatment of conservatives for the MSM is overwhelmingly in the pocket of the liberal left.

I don’t know that this part about temper tantrums is correct. John Boehner himself has said as much. Particularly when he spoke of the TEA Party PACS, For the workers who suffered furloughs I’m happy they will be made whole. But this fiasco impacted many workers who provide support for the Federal Government while not being employed by same. If you use the Military standard of 20 to support one. You see just how far reaching this childish behavior on the part of the TEA Party truly is.

ATB

 

[Brendan_64]

Uh, sorry to burst your bubble, but most of the people on the dole would very much like to find work. But no work is forthcoming, at least not in blue collar jobs.

That is correct.

If you turn the clock back to the 1950s and 1960s, there was almost full employment, there were enough jobs to go round. There was a different model of society then. People were not viewed simply as disposable resources existing to serve the market. A man had a job, he could feed his family, he had dignity. Now we live in a society where unemployment is seen simply as a by-product of the market, a sort of unavoidable co-lateral damage. The dignity of the individual is secondary to the forces of the market. The market is king.

The top 20% of earners in the UK own 60% of the wealth, the bottom 20% of earners own 0.6% of the wealth. Presumably the situation in the USA is similar. That is not fair, that is not just, and it robs people of dignity. youtube.com/watch?v=aOJ93tAbPP0