Interesting article on Tea Party Catholics

[Della]

I don’t know that this part about temper tantrums is correct. John Boehner himself has said as much. Particularly when he spoke of the TEA Party PACS, For the workers who suffered furloughs I’m happy they will be made whole. But this fiasco impacted many workers who provide support for the Federal Government while not being employed by same. If you use the Military standard of 20 to support one. You see just how far reaching this childish behavior on the part of the TEA Party truly is.

ATB

To put the blame solely on the TP is not seeing the whole picture. Where was the president in his duty to bring all sides together so the country would continue to be governed and properly run? Why does he get a free pass as well as the liberal left who would not compromise and will not compromise, and I don’t just mean the far left, either?Our current president promised that he would bring everyone together to make real progress. Well, it was just another campaign slogan and yet another lie.

People have the right and the duty to form groups to air their grievances and to put forward their ideas. It’s our current president who isn’t up to the job nor can he manage factions except those that support him. Don’t blame those who are exercising their democratic rights. Blame those on the left who hold the reins, who will not listen but rather brush aside legitimate concerns to push their own agenda.

 

[ru1too]

I miss the “News” just plain old reporting on the events taking place.

It amazes me that people listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Shultz or Miller and think they’re actually getting the news and not someones spin on it.

I watched a hour long show on the events in Benghazi on msnbc, then when driving to work heard Hannity say, not a mention of it on the “Liberal media”…such nonsense.

The multi millionaire talking heads are driving the debate in this country, followed by the sheep that hang on their every word.

I have friends on both side of the “aisle” and they all love God, family and country.

 

[JohnMPhilomena]

It’s not a good time to cut. Sorry if that does not settle well with your austerity fantasy. But lets face it, spending issues are nothing new nor will they end in our life time. Having temper tantrums, and shutting down the government only hurts our fellow Americans it doesn’t help.

I’m glad you are the authority on when it’s a good time to cut. The truth is there have never been any spending cuts. Only cuts in the rate of growth. This is not going to end well. But you prefer to ignore the problem.

And who’s having a temper tantrum? Since when is disagreeing a temper tantrum?

I get so tired of people saying that a large percentage of the population should have no voice and should shut up and go away.

And talk about small minded - calling people rats. The truth is you demonize anyone who doesn’t agree with you.

 

[JohnMPhilomena]

I miss the “News” just plain old reporting on the events taking place.

It amazes me that people listen to Limbaugh, Hannity, Shultz or Miller and think they’re actually getting the news and not someones spin on it.

I watched a hour long show on the events in Benghazi on msnbc, then when driving to work heard Hannity say, not a mention of it on the “Liberal media”…such nonsense.

The multi millionaire talking heads are driving the debate in this country, followed by the sheep that hang on their every word.

I have friends on both side of the “aisle” and they all love God, family and country.

And yet we still don’t know who’s idea it was to lie to the American people at the time of an election about Benghazi being the result of some stupid film.

 

[CatholicHockey7]

At a minimum wage of $8 per hour, one could earn about $16,000 a year. If that person can get $20,000 a year in government benefits, why work?

To rise above the morass of min wage jobs, one does need a decent education and developed skills that command a much better wage rate. That takes personal effort over a number of years. It takes a decent home life, not so many broken families with absent fathers.

And that takes maintaining and improving one’s relationship with God. When more people understand our primary purpose in life is to love God and others for the love of God, we would stop being so selfish and so uncaring for the children we make.

Government cannot fix the spiritual void.

Can anyone tell us what those on public assistance must do in return for that assistance? Is not one’s dignity and sense of self worth damaged when nothing in return is required?

This one really got to me because it’s a total load of BS. I use myself as an example.

I hold two Bachelor’s degrees, one in journalism and another in photography. It took me nine years of making every mistake in the book to figure out what I wanted to do and where I wanted to be. During that time I was also discovering my faith. At one point, I was ready to reject the very existence of God.

Today I’m a completely different person striving to walk with God every day and let Him guide me, which He has done.

According to your post, I should have my dream job or be working towards it.

Instead, I currently hold a minimum wage job and live with my mother because I can’t afford to do anything else. There are no jobs in my chosen field or similar fields that are right for me. I’ve applied for several, and only a few have even shown enough respect for me to respond with “thanks but no thanks.”

This is a direct result of failed economic policies dating back all the way to the Clinton administration’s repeal of Glass-Steagall.

The Tea Party plan, however, would not make things better. If you think it will, ask Europe how austerity measures to reduce national debt have been working out. When even the Swiss are worried about tomorrow’s financial future, you know something is wrong.

What we need are moderates willing to take long-term approaches to solve giant problems including: out of control debt, out of control welfare, ridiculously complicated taxes and a frozen economy.

There are no easy solutions to these problems. There are no one-party solutions to these problems. They will require compromise that Tea Party republicans don’t want.

The US Government credit rating was lowered a few years ago not because of our outstanding debt, but because of the uncertainty of what Congressional “leaders” were going to do.

Businesses aren’t creating jobs right now because of uncertainty over the expenses they will incur for doing so.

We need politicians that have no agendas, no “sacred cows.” Everything must be on the table including their own paychecks.

 

[ishii]

That is correct.

If you turn the clock back to the 1950s and 1960s, there was almost full employment, there were enough jobs to go round. There was a different model of society then. People were not viewed simply as disposable resources existing to serve the market. A man had a job, he could feed his family, he had dignity. Now we live in a society where unemployment is seen simply as a by-product of the market, a sort of unavoidable co-lateral damage. The dignity of the individual is secondary to the forces of the market. The market is king.

Brendan, much of the prosperity of the golden age of Post WW2 American prosperity owes to the fact that America alone found itself largely intact and able to provide most of the manufacturing of products for global markets. You will recall that the rest of the industrialized world was very damaged from the war - think of Japan and Germany alone. This was a rather unique circumstance that (hopefully) will not happen again. But it did give America a few decades of unprecedented economic growth. However, it is unrealistic to expect a return to those times.

You will also recall that in the 50’s, a man indeed had a job and could feed his family. He also often had a house and a car. He likely had one car and a modest house with a few appliances a few kids - usually atleast three or more. But now, the same middle class man is expected to have: two cars (preferably one SUV), multiple flat screen TV’s(one for the living room and one for the “man cave”), a 3 car garage. A day care center to stick his 2.1 kids into. A wife that works so that they can afford the day care (also works because feminist society now says that a woman must work in order to have self fulfillment). What else, little league. He must save tens of thousands of dollars for college - the price of which has increased exponentially thanks to govt. student loan policies. There must be expensive vacations. All sorts of expensive gadgets, smart phones with expensive monthly bills, cable TV for all the NFL football games. etc. etc.

We live in a materialistic, consumer driven society. You can still be that man from the 50’s, but you will have to give up most of your modern conveniences.

Ishii

 

[JB_Dugan]

It’s not a good time to cut. Sorry if that does not settle well with your austerity fantasy. But lets face it, spending issues are nothing new nor will they end in our life time. Having temper tantrums, and shutting down the government only hurts our fellow Americans it doesn’t help.

Did someone shut down the government?

What happened?

Did I miss something?

 

[ishii]

This one really got to me because it’s a total load of BS. I use myself as an example.

I hold two Bachelor’s degrees, one in journalism and another in photography. It took me nine years of making every mistake in the book to figure out what I wanted to do and where I wanted to be. During that time I was also discovering my faith. At one point, I was ready to reject the very existence of God.

Today I’m a completely different person striving to walk with God every day and let Him guide me, which He has done.

According to your post, I should have my dream job or be working towards it.

Instead, I currently hold a minimum wage job and live with my mother because I can’t afford to do anything else. There are no jobs in my chosen field or similar fields that are right for me. I’ve applied for several, and only a few have even shown enough respect for me to respond with “thanks but no thanks.”

This is a direct result of failed economic policies dating back all the way to the Clinton administration’s repeal of Glass-Steagall.

The Tea Party plan, however, would not make things better. If you think it will, ask Europe how austerity measures to reduce national debt have been working out. When even the Swiss are worried about tomorrow’s financial future, you know something is wrong.

What we need are moderates willing to take long-term approaches to solve giant problems including: out of control debt, out of control welfare, ridiculously complicated taxes and a frozen economy.

There are no easy solutions to these problems. There are no one-party solutions to these problems. They will require compromise that Tea Party republicans don’t want.

The US Government credit rating was lowered a few years ago not because of our outstanding debt, but because of the uncertainty of what Congressional “leaders” were going to do.

Businesses aren’t creating jobs right now because of uncertainty over the expenses they will incur for doing so.

We need politicians that have no agendas, no “sacred cows.” Everything must be on the table including their own paychecks.

Well, don’t blame anyone but yourself if you have two degrees and still hold a minimum wage job - sorry. Maybe you picked the wrong field - but no one forced you to pick it. I am glad you discovered your faith - that is more important that if you had found a “dream job” that was well paying. But don’t blame the economy or the Tea Party for your troubles. I would probably be making much more than I am now had I not taken the 10 year detour that I ended up taking - but I would not do anything differently if I had the chance.

I credit the Tea Party for being the only ones who are sounding the fiscal alarm - you can only sustain so much debt for so long - before you encounter disastrous consequences. You can only have so many unfunded liabilities. The establishment Republicans are almost as bad as Democrats when it comes to spending.

Agree that there can be no “sacred cows” - everything must be on the table. But unfortunately what keeps the Democrat party afloat is its ability to fund entitlements. Alexis De Tocqueville said that the American republic will endure until the congress realizes it can bribe the public with the public’s money. The bribing has been going on for decades now, and I’m afraid the republic can’t endure that forever.

Ishii

 

[Mickey_Finn]

Brendan, much of the prosperity of the golden age of Post WW2 American prosperity owes to the fact that America alone found itself largely intact and able to provide most of the manufacturing of products for global markets. You will recall that the rest of the industrialized world was very damaged from the war - think of Japan and Germany alone. This was a rather unique circumstance that (hopefully) will not happen again. But it did give America a few decades of unprecedented economic growth. However, it is unrealistic to expect a return to those times.

You will also recall that in the 50’s, a man indeed had a job and could feed his family. He also often had a house and a car. He likely had one car and a modest house with a few appliances a few kids - usually atleast three or more. But now, the same middle class man is expected to have: two cars (preferably one SUV), multiple flat screen TV’s(one for the living room and one for the “man cave”), a 3 car garage. A day care center to stick his 2.1 kids into. A wife that works so that they can afford the day care (also works because feminist society now says that a woman must work in order to have self fulfillment). What else, little league. He must save tens of thousands of dollars for college - the price of which has increased exponentially thanks to govt. student loan policies. There must be expensive vacations. All sorts of expensive gadgets, smart phones with expensive monthly bills, cable TV for all the NFL football games. etc. etc.

We live in a materialistic, consumer driven society. You can still be that man from the 50’s, but you will have to give up most of your modern conveniences.

Ishii

Ishii Good post! But, you did overlook a few important facts.

1. During this time period, many workers were denied jobs, and an education. They were even blocked from voting in some instances.
2. A great number of workers who as you stated had responsible goals. Were working under union contracts. So, they experienced safer, more profitable working conditions.
3. The man cave did exist only it was called the garage.

We had snow last night!

 

[ishii]

Ishii Good post! But, you did overlook a few important facts.

1. During this time period, many workers were denied jobs, and an education. They were even blocked from voting in some instances.
2. A great number of workers who as you stated had responsible goals. Were working under union contracts. So, they experienced safer, more profitable working conditions.
3. The man cave did exist only it was called the garage.

We had snow last night!

Why thank you, Mickey. As nice as the 50’s-60’s were for the workers, I suspect that there is no going back. One, we don’t manufacture like we did then. Also, unions have declined - and unions helped middle class workers get a good wage through the bargaining. I was a teamster in the 80’s and made pretty decent money. I never crossed picket lines. (still wouldn’t). I think the GI bill helped many get a college education. But as you say, many were denied opportunities due to racism, etc. I hate the rampant consumerism that exists today - black Friday, etc. And I reject the protestant “health and wealth” gospel that seems to pervade much of our society.

I wish it would snow where I am.

Ishii

 

[globaljim2]

I just came on to this thread and I read thru most of the posts. It made me feel sad. Here we are American Catholics who make up 50% of the electorate yet so divided from one another that we can’t have very constructive agreement and effectively cancel one another out - depriving our Nation of the marvelous range of Social Teaching worked out by the Popes
for the past century.l Such divisiveness makes me very suspicious that something else is going on here. Scripture tells us"Our struggle is not against flesh and blood (humans] it is against the spiritual powers -the World Rulers of this present darkness.[Eph: 6:12] Don’t misunderstand me. Wholesome differences between Conservatives and Progressives can and should be productive. But divisiveness among Catholics that shows a lack of basic knowledge of the full range of teaching is not a healthy divisiveness. Jesus most basic grace that He asks of the Father at the Last Supper is:“That they may be One in Me, Father, as y;ou and I are One”
The problem is not that there is not some truth on either side. It seems to me that what is going on is that both sides are being manipulated by Extremist Ideologies. Exactly what needs to be explored. I would suggest it two different forms of materialistic Libertarianism. Two forms of selfish interests. Those with legitimate stands don’t even realize they are being used and sadly our Party system plays right into this.

 

[CatholicHockey7]

Well, don’t blame anyone but yourself if you have two degrees and still hold a minimum wage job - sorry. Maybe you picked the wrong field - but no one forced you to pick it. I am glad you discovered your faith - that is more important that if you had found a “dream job” that was well paying. But don’t blame the economy or the Tea Party for your troubles. I would probably be making much more than I am now had I not taken the 10 year detour that I ended up taking - but I would not do anything differently if I had the chance.

I credit the Tea Party for being the only ones who are sounding the fiscal alarm - you can only sustain so much debt for so long - before you encounter disastrous consequences. You can only have so many unfunded liabilities. The establishment Republicans are almost as bad as Democrats when it comes to spending.

Agree that there can be no “sacred cows” - everything must be on the table. But unfortunately what keeps the Democrat party afloat is its ability to fund entitlements. Alexis De Tocqueville said that the American republic will endure until the congress realizes it can bribe the public with the public’s money. The bribing has been going on for decades now, and I’m afraid the republic can’t endure that forever.

Ishii

Ishii,

The Tea Party is equally responsible with Democrats and REAL Republicans for the lack of economic stimulus.

This is a problem that has been coming since Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall, but it could have been stopped at any point by BOTH sides. Now they can’t work to fix what they broke because they can’t get the votes they need without the Tea Party. If they do, they lose their jobs at the next election because a TP challenger will run against them and paint them as a Democrat in disguise.

More than one in three college grads currently hold jobs that DON’T require a degree. This percentage finally went down a couple points after rising rapidly since 2007.

What has happened in those 6 years? Economic meltdown coupled with failure to rebuild anything. We know US companies are making money. Every quarter they announce record profits. But those record profits haven’t translated into jobs. They haven’t translated into jobs because companies have no clue how they will be taxed tomorrow. They don’t know what the cost will be for that new employee.

As I said in my post, the US Government’s credit rating was downgraded not because we can’t pay our bills. It was downgraded because the rating agencies saw a pattern dating back decades where our politicians would argue right up to the last possible second before striking a deal to prevent gong into default. The deal they negotiated would only kick the can down the road rather than lead to any real change.

I love this quote from HBO’s “Newsroom:”

No, I call myself a Republican because I am one. I believe in market solutions and I believe in common sense realities and the necessity to defend ourselves against a dangerous world and that’s about it. The problem is now I have to be homophobic. I have to count the number of times people go to church. I have to deny facts and think scientific research is a long con. I have to think poor people are getting a sweet ride. And I have to have such a stunning inferiority complex that I fear education and intellect in the 21st century. But most of all, the biggest new requirement, really the only requirement, is that I have to hate Democrats. And I have to hate Chris Christie for not spitting on the president when he got off Air Force One.

That pretty much sums up the difference between Republicans and the Tea Party.

 

[ishii]

Ishii,

The Tea Party is equally responsible with Democrats and REAL Republicans for the lack of economic stimulus.

This is a problem that has been coming since Clinton signed the repeal of Glass-Steagall, but it could have been stopped at any point by BOTH sides. Now they can’t work to fix what they broke because they can’t get the votes they need without the Tea Party. If they do, they lose their jobs at the next election because a TP challenger will run against them and paint them as a Democrat in disguise.

More than one in three college grads currently hold jobs that DON’T require a degree. This percentage finally went down a couple points after rising rapidly since 2007.

What has happened in those 6 years? Economic meltdown coupled with failure to rebuild anything. We know US companies are making money. Every quarter they announce record profits. But those record profits haven’t translated into jobs. They haven’t translated into jobs because companies have no clue how they will be taxed tomorrow. They don’t know what the cost will be for that new employee.

As I said in my post, the US Government’s credit rating was downgraded not because we can’t pay our bills. It was downgraded because the rating agencies saw a pattern dating back decades where our politicians would argue right up to the last possible second before striking a deal to prevent gong into default. The deal they negotiated would only kick the can down the road rather than lead to any real change.

I love this quote from HBO’s “Newsroom:”

That pretty much sums up the difference between Republicans and the Tea Party.

Hello CatholicHockey7.

The Tea Party began during the latter years of the George W Bush admin in response to his over-spending. They are primarily interested in fiscal sanity. They don’t want the two parties to keep spending - increasing the unfunded liabilities and saddling future generations with huge amounts of debt. Imagine running up a bunch of credit card debt and then handing your kids the bill.

Government stimulus is a misnomer. Any stimulus that is based on deficit spending is bad in the long run. Wasn’t there something like 900 billion in “stimulus spending” passed in Obama’s first term? How has that translated into economic expansion? Agree with you that uncertainty regarding govt. policy causes businesses to not expand/invest/build new factories and hire new workers. That was one of the problems during the 1930’s when FDR kept changing the strategies to deal with the Great Depression. Business likes consistency and relative certainty as to what kind of taxes, etc. it will be paying year to year. We’ve had a Democrat president for 6 years - he had filibuster proof majority in the senate and the economy was in a tailspin. What did he do? He rammed Obamacare down the country’s throat. I don’t think he would have done anything positive to help the economy anyway because ultimately he’s a liberal Democrat who thinks govt. spending will help the economy rather than the free market. I mean, just look at his energy policy and the keystone pipeline.

The Tea Party is not to blame for the lack of economic opportunity. They are merely holding Republicans’ feet to the fire on spending. I don’t blame them: so many politicians talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when elected, or they have been in office so long that they are more interested in “getting along” than actually reforming things. I don’t like all the Tea Party candidates - especially the ones who can’t win. But I totally understand the motives of the Tea Party, and respect them a great deal.

Regarding college graduates: I understand many of them voted for Obama and the “hope and change” in 2008. I know personally young college graduates who enthusiastically voted for Obama. They are struggling to find good jobs. I’m wondering if they regret voting for the man. I wonder if they have learned at least that.

Ishii

 

[Mickey_Finn]

Hello CatholicHockey7.

The Tea Party began during the latter years of the George W Bush admin in response to his over-spending. They are primarily interested in fiscal sanity. They don’t want the two parties to keep spending - increasing the unfunded liabilities and saddling future generations with huge amounts of debt. Imagine running up a bunch of credit card debt and then handing your kids the bill.

Government stimulus is a misnomer. Any stimulus that is based on deficit spending is bad in the long run. Wasn’t there something like 900 billion in “stimulus spending” passed in Obama’s first term? How has that translated into economic expansion? Agree with you that uncertainty regarding govt. policy causes businesses to not expand/invest/build new factories and hire new workers. That was one of the problems during the 1930’s when FDR kept changing the strategies to deal with the Great Depression. Business likes consistency and relative certainty as to what kind of taxes, etc. it will be paying year to year. We’ve had a Democrat president for 6 years - he had filibuster proof majority in the senate and the economy was in a tailspin. What did he do? He rammed Obamacare down the country’s throat. I don’t think he would have done anything positive to help the economy anyway because ultimately he’s a liberal Democrat who thinks govt. spending will help the economy rather than the free market. I mean, just look at his energy policy and the keystone pipeline.

The Tea Party is not to blame for the lack of economic opportunity. They are merely holding Republicans’ feet to the fire on spending. I don’t blame them: so many politicians talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when elected, or they have been in office so long that they are more interested in “getting along” than actually reforming things. I don’t like all the Tea Party candidates - especially the ones who can’t win. But I totally understand the motives of the Tea Party, and respect them a great deal.

Regarding college graduates: I understand many of them voted for Obama and the “hope and change” in 2008. I know personally young college graduates who enthusiastically voted for Obama. They are struggling to find good jobs. I’m wondering if they regret voting for the man. I wonder if they have learned at least that.

Ishii

Ishii The TEA Party is very bad. Now lets move on…

 

[ishii]

Ishii The TEA Party is very bad. Now lets move on…

Okay, Mickey. Thanks for setting me straight: based on your brilliant and substantive post, I’ve changed my mind: I now think the Tea Party is bad, and am now going to start voting for big spending liberals who will pass the bill on to future generations to ensure they are slaves to debt.

Ishii

 

[CatholicHockey7]

Hello CatholicHockey7.

The Tea Party began during the latter years of the George W Bush admin in response to his over-spending. They are primarily interested in fiscal sanity. They don’t want the two parties to keep spending - increasing the unfunded liabilities and saddling future generations with huge amounts of debt. Imagine running up a bunch of credit card debt and then handing your kids the bill.

Government stimulus is a misnomer. Any stimulus that is based on deficit spending is bad in the long run. Wasn’t there something like 900 billion in “stimulus spending” passed in Obama’s first term? How has that translated into economic expansion? Agree with you that uncertainty regarding govt. policy causes businesses to not expand/invest/build new factories and hire new workers. That was one of the problems during the 1930’s when FDR kept changing the strategies to deal with the Great Depression. Business likes consistency and relative certainty as to what kind of taxes, etc. it will be paying year to year. We’ve had a Democrat president for 6 years - he had filibuster proof majority in the senate and the economy was in a tailspin. What did he do? He rammed Obamacare down the country’s throat. I don’t think he would have done anything positive to help the economy anyway because ultimately he’s a liberal Democrat who thinks govt. spending will help the economy rather than the free market. I mean, just look at his energy policy and the keystone pipeline.

The Tea Party is not to blame for the lack of economic opportunity. They are merely holding Republicans’ feet to the fire on spending. I don’t blame them: so many politicians talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when elected, or they have been in office so long that they are more interested in “getting along” than actually reforming things. I don’t like all the Tea Party candidates - especially the ones who can’t win. But I totally understand the motives of the Tea Party, and respect them a great deal.

Regarding college graduates: I understand many of them voted for Obama and the “hope and change” in 2008. I know personally young college graduates who enthusiastically voted for Obama. They are struggling to find good jobs. I’m wondering if they regret voting for the man. I wonder if they have learned at least that.

Ishii

You’ll find no support for Obama & Co. from me, but Obama’s economic stimulus did exactly what it promised while it was in effect. The problem was it came with a deadline. The money had to be spent by a certain date or it was returned to the general fund. When that deadline came, unemployment jumped back up to where it had been right before the stimulus.

Beyond that, I agree his policies are utter failures. I didn’t vote for him in 2008 because he didn’t have experience and I wanted a leader. I didn’t vote for him in 2012 because I hadn’t seen anything change.

But I won’t vote for a Tea Party candidate on any ballot because they are ridiculous. They all sign the pledge to not raise taxes, well what if 10 Nobel Laureate economists testified before congress that the only way to reduce the debt was to double the tax rates? What would they do then? Do they compromise and raise taxes at least a little? Not if they want to be re-elected.

You say (and I agree) that Obamacare was rammed down the throats of the American people. But aren’t the Tea Party now trying to ram their agenda down the throats of Americans? What makes their version okay? Is it just because you agree with it?

 

[Glad2behome]

Okay, I really want to start by saying that reading most of the posts on this thread really had me almost in tears. Really? Trying to justify cutting off poor people off the only type of assistance they get, all in the name of saving money? Perhaps you saw a report on Fox News or saw a James O’Keefe report showing how a *minority * abuse the system and present it as the majority. Okay then, now with all the “liberal MSM” media in the early 00s reports on the sex abuse scandal, portraying that the majority of clergy abusing children. I believe it is the same logic.

This whole thing about Catholics becoming Ayn Rand-like capitalists without the Atheism or the pro-abortion* is really a new thing, and manly an American thing. This is an knee jerk reaction to what Republicans see as “Socialism” from the Obama Administration, trust me, I have studied socialism ever since the 7th grade, and I’m much older than that now, and Obama is no socialist.

Sorry, but radical capitalism has been condemned by the Church for ages, it is not a new thing. Want a source? Read Quadragesimo Anno by Pope Pius XI were condemns unrestrained capitalism. This did not begin with Pope Francis.

That leads me to my final thought, and that I *LOVE * how the Holy Father is strong on issues on Abortion and Same-Sex “Marriage” but his message about not forgetting about the poor and his condemnation of supply side economics is basically telling “Tea party Catholics” …“No, you can’t have your cake and eat it to”

Ayn Rand on Atheism: youtube.com/watch?v=n-kXok4tznU

Ayn Rand on Abortion: youtube.com/watch?v=H0yUjMklVuI

I assume Ayn Rand support on abortion is more tolerated among “tea party Catholics” becasue…she was for “freedom”

 

[Matilda_Bennett]

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