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meltzerboy2
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Yet most bisexuals report they are not equally attracted to opposite-sex and same-sex people; that is, it is rarely a case of 50-50 but usually a preference for same- or opposite-sex partners.
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Thorolfr
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I haven’t met very many men who consider themselves “bisexual.” Even the ones who obviously have significant attraction to both sexes still prefer one over the other and the men I know who prefer the same sex over the opposite sex probably still consider themselves “gay.” Of course, things might be different with young people nowadays with more of them identifying as bisexual.
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Tis_Bearself
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Well, yeah, that’s obvious. I said it was a spectrum. There are a lot of people who are 60/40 or 70/30 in favor of one gender or the other. They have some leeway to choose whether they want to be with same or opposite gender. For a person who is a 90/10 or a 100 percent for same gender, it’s not so easy to choose to exclusively be with the opposite gender. It could be done, but it would be much more difficult for them than the 60/40 person. We need to recognize the difficulty factor and not just lump all gay people together as a monolith and say, “See, Joe or Jane over there was in a same-sex relationship and they left it and became straight. Why can’t you?”
In addition to the sexual attraction spectrum, there are also gay people AND straight people for whom sexual desire or sexual activity or sexual attraction is a relatively small part of their life for one reason or another - age, lack of desire, prioritizing other things in life such as career or family over sex. Those people have an easier time in general avoiding sexual sins.
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CatholicELATeacher
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That is a total distortion of Genesis.
Male and female He created them, complementary, in a nuptial relationship. This relationship is a communion of persons in the horizontal, designed to bring forth the Imago Dei, and a communion with Christ in the vertical. There can be no such communions in the homosexual relationship.
Male and female He created them, complementary, in a nuptial relationship. This relationship is a communion of persons in the horizontal, designed to bring forth the Imago Dei, and a communion with Christ in the vertical. There can be no such communions in the homosexual relationship.
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Jeanne_S
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Therefore God created a woman ,not another man
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Thorolfr
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That doesn’t change the fact that it appears to me that God said that it’s not good for a person to be alone. Most straight people can avoid being alone by having a partner or helper of the opposite sex. But for many gay people, through no fault of their own, that’s not an option.
And although some people view this text in Genesis through the lens of Catholic theology, none of that appears in Genesis itself and is a later Christian elaboration on a Jewish text.
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CatholicELATeacher
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This completely misrepresents what God meant by that statement, and ignores both the profound theology of the Yahwist creation account and the incarnational truths of the creation of man and woman.
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Thorolfr
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This is a Catholic forum, so it makes sense that most people here interpret what they think God meant in this text in the light of Catholic belief. I’m glad to learn what Catholics think this text means. But since I’m not Catholic, I can’t be expected to present the Catholic viewpoint, so it seems a little unreasonable to accuse me of “misrepresentation” when I don’t do so. I doubt that a Jew would believe that this text has anything to do with a “communion with Christ in the vertical” and if he gave a different viewpoint, that wouldn’t really be a “misrepresentation” of what the text means on his part.
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CatholicELATeacher
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You clearly don’t comprehend Genesis 2. Rather, you distort it in an attempt to justify homosexual relations.
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CatholicELATeacher
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Truth!
And isn’t this truth ironic in conjunction with the frequent, disingenious complaints that it’s others who define homosexuals by their sexual appetites, and not homosexuals themselves who do so?
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LilyM
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I’m far from alone even though I dont have a romantic partner. I have many ‘helpers’ of both sexes, I just don’t feel the need to sleep with any of them.Jeanne_S:
That doesn’t change the fact that it appears to me that God said that it’s not good for a person to be alone. Most straight people can avoid being alone by having a partner or helper of the opposite sex. But for many gay people, through no fault of their own, that’s not an option.
And although some people view this text in Genesis through the lens of Catholic theology, none of that appears in Genesis itself and is a later Christian elaboration on a Jewish text.
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CatholicELATeacher
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Yes!
Jason Evert eloquently deals with it here:
Jason Evert eloquently deals with it here:
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Thorolfr
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another excuse. Many people have good dear friends of both genders. Don’t fool yourself there is love out there, love as in FRIENDSHIP only!
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I don’t have any “good dear friends.” Most of my friends are more like aquaintences. They’ll help you a little if it’s convenient. If it’s not they won’t.
Even my relatives are like that. Some of them say they’d like to help, but they’re too busy. But they’ll pray for me. That’s the response I got when I asked one of them if he could come and watch my dad who has Alzheimer’s for a couple of hours, one day a month. I don’t think that that was too much to ask.
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I don’t have any “good dear friends.” Most of my friends are more like aquaintences. They’ll help you a little if it’s convenient. If it’s not they won’t.
Even my relatives are like that. Some of them say they’d like to help, but they’re too busy. But they’ll pray for me. That’s the response I got when I asked one of them if he could come and watch my dad who has Alzheimer’s for a couple of hours, one day a month. I don’t think that that was too much to ask.
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on_the_hill
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Here’s the thing: On a different internet forum I have had this argument for years with people, purportedly gay, who seem insistent that straight men will…do these things under such circumstances as prison, being marooned on a desert island, being in the navy, being the last two people on Earth, etc.
A straight man will not do these things. Ever. A bisexual man might. A gay man might. A straight man won’t. If he did, he isn’t/wasn’t straight.
Religion has absolutely nothing to do with it. Ask a Catholic, as an atheist. The answer will be the same.
One of my triggers.
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on_the_hill
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Believe me when I say this that I am a faithful Catholic—I disagree with that statement. “Crosses” are vastly different from one another in the burden they lay on people Further, I don’t believe that God gives us crosses to bear. I don’t believe God wants or needs us to prove ourselves to him through suffering.
There’s really no comparison between someone whose cross is that he/she is forbidden to share physical/sexual intimacies with another person and someone whose cross is an obsession with collecting Cabbage Patch Dolls.
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Thorolfr
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One of the points I’ve been trying to make is that in most cases, the relationship with a friend is not the same as the relationship with an intimate partner or significant other and not just because one involves sex. Friend’s usually just won’t be as committed to you, rain or shine, in sickness and in health, day in, day out. Most people I’ve had as friends end up drifting away after a while. And they won’t do anything for you if it becomes too inconvenient.
And I’ve never said that Genesis says that it’s OK to have an intimate helper or partner of the same-sex, only that it says that it’s not good for a person to be alone.
And I’ve never said that Genesis says that it’s OK to have an intimate helper or partner of the same-sex, only that it says that it’s not good for a person to be alone.
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Thorolfr
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That is just not something everybody is comfortable with. It is not the easiest situation to have to deal with due to the person’s illness.
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I’m talking about my dad’s younger brother, not some aquaintence. And what if staying with my dad when my mother needed a break wasn’t something I was “comfortable with”? Or what if neither my mother nor I were “comfortable” staying with someone with Alzheimer’s? My dad would kind of be up a creek without a paddle, wouldn’t he?
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I’m talking about my dad’s younger brother, not some aquaintence. And what if staying with my dad when my mother needed a break wasn’t something I was “comfortable with”? Or what if neither my mother nor I were “comfortable” staying with someone with Alzheimer’s? My dad would kind of be up a creek without a paddle, wouldn’t he?
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on_the_hill
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That is Jesus telling us to take up the cross of service and sacrifice for the sake of others.
It’s especially weak when people define “crosses” as everything from blindness to liver disease to unemployment to drug addiction to whatever bad luck, ill fate, disease, affliction, or mishap that people face in life. We can’t explain why Alex’s mom died of cancer when he was a child, so we say, “It is the cross he has to bear,” as if God decided Alex needed that particular cross.
It’s especially weak when people define “crosses” as everything from blindness to liver disease to unemployment to drug addiction to whatever bad luck, ill fate, disease, affliction, or mishap that people face in life. We can’t explain why Alex’s mom died of cancer when he was a child, so we say, “It is the cross he has to bear,” as if God decided Alex needed that particular cross.
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Thorolfr
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I love my parents because they’ve been good parents. I couldn’t have asked for better parents and they’ve always loved me unconditionally. I don’t mind helping them in any way I can. But I’m also glad I have a life partner I love and who loves me to help me in life’s struggles including the one I’m facing now. It’s already been extremely difficult as it is. I can’t imagine doing it all on my own.
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