Oliver and Joseph had a huge fallen out. And yet, Joseph Smith showed no concern that his cover could be blown. You would think that if Joseph and oliver were conartists, Joseph would have treated Oliver with kid gloves. But no, he was quite aggressive with oliver and excommunicated him. Doesn’t seem like Joseph was that concerned that oliver would spill the beans…and what is the meaning of that?
can be the assumption.Ah…so when people say bad things about Joseph, it was only because they were angry…
The whole reason the Mormons say there needed to be a restoration is because the early church was in apostasy.
Okay, let me see if I understand this: There are two churches created at the same time, by the same two church leaders; and although they have some similarities, they also have some major differences.
Okay, let me try it again. The lds church was organized and continued under Joseph Smith until he was murdered. A few years later the Reorganized Church was organized. This church traced its roots back to Joseph Smith as the lds church did. Same roots but different churches.
Third cousins? Can you tell me the name of one of your third cousins? However, that did not stop JS from kicking Oliver out.
So, who to believe…oliver or fanny’s parents and brother. You decide.
Jason, Eric, Andrew, Amy and Tad. To name a few. Last names omited to protect the innocent.Third cousins? Can you tell me the name of one of your third cousins? However, that did not stop JS from kicking Oliver out.
Well that seems like a matter of your opinion, please provide some kind of reference. Because, according to the RLDS, they started in 1830. So according to them, they “were organized” in 1830.Okay, let me try it again. The lds church was organized and continued under Joseph Smith until he was murdered. A few years later the Reorganized Church was organized. This church traced its roots back to Joseph Smith as the lds church did. Same roots but different churches.
Let’s see, parents wanting to protect their daughter or an eye witness.So, who to believe…oliver or fanny’s parents and brother. You decide.
Kelly, Mike and Dana to name three. And I once kicked my brother out of my house…so?Third cousins? Can you tell me the name of one of your third cousins? However, that did not stop JS from kicking Oliver out.
Thank you for not saying West Virginia!
Bill, I can name some 3rd cousins, but not many. I know I can name far fewer than I have!Jason, Eric, Andrew, Amy and Tad. To name a few. Last names omited to protect the innocent.
The ones I know are Kathy and Keith. And my children have met THEIR children, all 4th cousins. But it is rare these days. It takes a lot of work to hold a family together.Are you insinuating that the 2 of the 3 witnesses are not to be believed?
That is interesting, due to their interest in their family histories I had always considered the members of the LDS to be very close in family relations. The LDS that I have known have always had very good core family relations and family values, but I never did have any experience with their extended families. This may be more of a “local” type of culture thing rather than faith based however.Bill, I can name some 3rd cousins, but not many. I know I can name far fewer than I have!
But Mormons can’t truthfully claim to be any better. Despite all their emphasis on family and historical records of their ancestors, they’re just as good as the rest of us (meaning, not so good) at being aware of their more distant relations in the present day.
Just as an example, I once worked with a local Mormon group on a theatrical production where we solicited, as part of that production, family trees that linked their family back to a “Mormon Pioneer”. The point was to dedicate the theatrical production to those persons who were the real pioneers as opposed to the fictional ones portrayed in the show.
An unexpected side effect of our solicitation of these names was that we introduced 3rd, 4th & 5th cousins to eachother, people who may have known eachother, but were never previously aware that they were related. I was the one that compiled the names for the program so I was the one that introduced the various cousins to eachother so I know for a fact that this happened.
Well, this all happened in southern California, where there are more Mormons than the entire state of Utah…
Well, Bill, you almost hit the nail on the head and your are correct about mormon family values. But if you listen to the antimormon catholic posters on the mormon threads, mormons are rock throwers at former members, they throw eggs at people’s houses, they shun their loved ones, and follow a liar and snitch to their bishop about what other members are doing.
whyme - if you accuse me of lying one more time I will have to report you. If you want the facts I will give them to you privately. Otherwise, stop.
I don’t think so. Mormons have strong ties to their families. They tend to pray together as a family in the morning during family prayer and in the evening for family prayer. They also say grace over breakfast, lunch and dinner as a family if the family is together for the meal. They also can read scripture together as a family, especially on Monday night.