Inventions/Superstitions

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“Hope1960 said:
Thank you.
Not for nothing, where do these people come from?
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The LCMS, for one. As for your question, don’t they believe in science, their answers have always been basically that Scripture trumps science.

Also, there are scientists who are Creationists whom these people refer to.
 
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Genesis is not a historical or scientific book.
It sounds more like these people need some good biblical scholarship and a history lesson.
Up until the East/West spilt in the 11th century, there was only one Church.
And the Protestant denominations were all born out of some protest against the Roman church. This is all history.
How do they explain that the Catholic Church is not the Church founded by Christ, unless the also discount history?
 
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CilladeRoma said:
Genesis is not a historical or scientific book.
It sounds more like these people need some good biblical scholarship and a history lesson.
Up until the East/West spilt in the 11th century, there was only one Church.
And the Protestant denominations were all born out of some protest against the Roman church. This is all history.
How do they explain that the Catholic Church is not the Church founded by Christ, unless the also discount history?
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I don’t know…they think they know history and it’s different from what Catholics say.
 
CilladeRoma said:
It sounds more like these people need some good biblical scholarship and a history lesson.
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I did PM a former priest of mine on Facebookwho said he’s “skeptical of how they interpret Scripture.”
 
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So, not only do they deny science, they deny history as well?
Why do you care what these people say?
 
Skeptical would be a huge understatement.

Again, why do you feel that these people are correct and that the Catholic church, with her history that goes back to Jesus himself, is wrong?
 
CilladeRoma said:
Skeptical would be a huge understatement.

Again, why do you feel that these people are correct and that the Catholic church, with her history that goes back to Jesus himself, is wrong?
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I know there are always two sides to a debate and am confused as to who’s right.
 
The Catholic Church has history and Jesus on its side. Why would you listen to anyone else?
 
CilladeRoma said:
The Catholic Church has history and Jesus on its side. Why would you listen to anyone else?
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Because the other side argues that Catholics dont have history and Jesus on their side.

I took a class at the Lutheran Church called something like Protestants vs Catholics. The pasto running the class began by saying we weren’t to bash Catholics or any religion, but even HE made comments here and there, that sounded like he thought Catholicism was all sorts of wrong.
 
Prople can say anything they want.
The proof is in the history.

The Catholic Church has its roots with Jesus and the Apostles. The Lutheran church began with a man, who happened to be Catholic, who while he had some very good reasons to be angry with the Church in his time, left and started a new church based on what he (Martin Luther) thought was better.

This is history. It is hard to deny.
 
The responsibility is on those making such claims to provide evidence.
 
Hope1960 said:
I had annointing of the sick when I had a cancer scare and hysterectomy. It was comforting.
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Do you deny the Catholic Sacraments or just question your Catholic faith? You are still Catholic. You can still attend Catholic Mass
 
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Please do not believe you are boring. We are all God’s creations. He loves us each individually. How can that be boring. ?
 
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OurLadyofSorrows said:
Do you deny the Catholic Sacraments or just question your Catholic faith? You are still Catholic. You can still attend Catholic Mass
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Neither, really. I just find Mass and (my parish) boring. I mean I have been wondering if the CC originated with Jesus but I agree with most of its teachings.
 
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The Catholic Church did originate with Jesus. How do we know?

Peter His first Pope is also ours. His other Apostles, many founded the Church in places like Egypt, India, Jerusalem.

You are uninspired at Mass. Why not follow it as it happens, Ie what the Priest is doing and why. What the liturgy does, how can we be bored with the Lituegy of the Word, Jesus is speaking to us.

Look at Mass wih fresh eyes, look at each step and why it is happening and how it relates to the Passion of Christ. ie when the Priest washes his hands, why does he do this. Do you believe the Eucharist is Christ?
 
OurLadyofSorrows said:
Look at Mass wih fresh eyes, look at each step and why it is happening and how it relates to the Passion of Christ. ie when the Priest washes his hands, why does he do this. Do you believe the Eucharist is Christ?
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I did, and think I do now, too, but I guess I have some doubts, especially after reading stuff on CARM.
 
Hope1960 said:
I’ve been mainly going to a Lutheran Church lately, and they have only two Sacraments. Thinking about leaving, though, because of their stance on the age of the earth and evolution.
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I don’t think spending time at CARM is great if that’s an issue.
The LCMS and its partner churches hold that stance but they don’t demand you have to accept that view unless you’re planning to be in a position to represent them in an official capacity of course.
 
Hope1960 said:
As many of you know, I left the CC (maybe not permanently) and have been spending my free time on CARM. Someone said that Sacraments are Catholic inventions and superstitions.
Where and when did the Sacraments originate?
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Funny thing…I am reading through the catechism and just today started this section.

PART TWO
THE CELEBRATION OF THE CHRISTIAN MYSTERY

SECTION TWO
THE SEVEN SACRAMENTS OF THE CHURCH

1210 Christ instituted the sacraments of the new law. There are seven: Baptism, Confirmation (or Chrismation), the Eucharist, Penance, the Anointing of the Sick, Holy Orders and Matrimony. The seven sacraments touch all the stages and all the important moments of Christian life:1 they give birth and increase, healing and mission to the Christian’s life of faith. There is thus a certain resemblance between the stages of natural life and the stages of the spiritual life.

1211 Following this analogy, the first chapter will expound the three sacraments of Christian initiation; the second , the sacraments of healing; and the third , the sacraments at the service of communion and the mission of the faithful. This order, while not the only one possible, does allow one to see that the sacraments form an organic whole in which each particular sacrament has its own vital place. In this organic whole, the Eucharist occupies a unique place as the “Sacrament of sacraments”: "all the other sacraments are ordered to it as to their end."2

1 Cf. St. Thomas Aquinas, STh III,65,1.

CHAPTER ONE
THE SACRAMENTS OF CHRISTIAN INITIATION

1212 The sacraments of Christian initiation - Baptism, Confirmation, and the Eucharist - lay the foundations of every Christian life. "The sharing in the divine nature given to men through the grace of Christ bears a certain likeness to the origin, development, and nourishing of natural life. The faithful are born anew by Baptism, strengthened by the sacrament of Confirmation, and receive in the Eucharist the food of eternal life. By means of these sacraments of Christian initiation, they thus receive in increasing measure the treasures of the divine life and advance toward the perfection of charity."3

More here

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a1.htm
 
ATraveller said:
I don’t think spending time at CARM is great if that’s an issue.
The LCMS and its partner churches hold that stance but they don’t demand you have to accept that view unless you’re planning to be in a position to represent them in an official capacity of course.
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Yeah, I was told it was ok unless I was planning on teaching (I’m not), but it really bothers me that that’s their position since I don’t agree with it.
 
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