Inviting Jesus into your heart

[AbideWithMe]

Yep!

Yay! Jon agrees my beliefs are heretical!

 

[Jon_S_1]

Haha

It seemed like you really wanted to be so sure !

So if I consider your beliefs heretical it builds up your evangelical orthodoxy right?!:yup::yup::tiphat:

 

[PRmerger]

I didn’t say you declared the sinner’s prayer heretical, I said your comments seemed to imply it.

So I went back to see your original statement, and I didn’t see where you said I implied anything.

Rather, you said that my comment “went right to the position that ‘sinners prayers’ must be considered heretical by Catholics.”

I didn’t see it as a matter or liking or not liking your question, PRmerger. Your answer, IMO, kind of jumped the gun. It went right to the position that “sinner’s prayers” must be considered heretical by Catholics, without examining if that’s really the case. It didn’t answer Indifferently’s question regarding the history of the practice, except in the broadest, most pre-emptive way that stifles real learning and dialogue. It didn’t answer Indifferently’s question regarding whether or not he was understanding the practice correctly; the answer to that needed to come before further judgment on the practice, IMO. Useful, informative answers were later provided by Itwin, EIF5A, and others.

Or are you wanting to deny that now?

 

[PRmerger]

PRm–I’m going to bed. If you care, please compare your latter statement of what you said with your actual, fuller, statements in your first two posts. Can you see where I’d get the idea that you were implying more than what you said later? If not, then okay. I give up. Forgive me if you think it is needed.

No, I cannot see it.

Given your posting history here you have a strange disposition of misreading Catholics’ comments and either proclaiming outrage at something innocuous, or declaring that this innocuous statement was something outrageous.

I cannot abide by that.

 

[PRmerger]

To clarify, I see nothing heretical with these words.

“Dear Lord Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I ask for Your forgiveness. I believe You died for my sins and rose from the dead. I turn from my sins and invite You to come into my heart and life. I want to trust and follow You as my Lord and Savior. In Your Name. Amen.”

That said, as I said before, coupling these words with their normal intention is a problem.

Exactly.

 

[PRmerger]

just respondingto the original post…

the sinners prayer to me relates back to scripture and Romans (correct me if im wrong) where we have to acknowledge we are sinners so that the redemptive act of jesus Christ dieing on the cross for our sins is relevant

that’s all it is to me god bless

What is the sinner’s prayer? What words are uttered? And where do they come from?

 

[MartinJordan]

Personally, I pray the so-called sinner’s prayer nearly everyday. It’s sort of a combination of an examination of conscience and a spiritual communion - excellent Catholic practice!

Gertie

That said, without receiving the Lord’s body as nourishment (on Sunday minimally) there is an emptiness.

I want to make sure I follow everything Jesus has said that is to say “to eat his flesh and drink his blood or I will have no life in me”

I want Jesus not only in my Heart and but also In my Body, because He asked and I want to please Him, My Lord and Savior and thus want to be saved

"Therefore with fullest assurance let us partake as of the Body and Blood of Christ: for in the figure of Bread is given to thee His Body, and in the figure of Wine His Blood; that thou by partaking of the Body and Blood of Christ, mightest be made of the same body and the same blood with Him. For thus we come to bear Christ in us,** because His Body and Blood are diffused through our members; thus it is that, according to the blessed Peter, (we become partaker of the divine nature.) [2 Peter 1:4]**

St. Cyril Of Jerusalem- -"Catechetical Lectures [22 (Mystagogic 4), 3]

MJ

 

[AbideWithMe]

So I went back to see your original statement, and I didn’t see where you said I implied anything.

Rather, you said that my comment “went right to the position that ‘sinners prayers’ must be considered heretical by Catholics.”

Or are you wanting to deny that now?

No, I won’t deny it, PRm. I just forgot exactly what I wrote before.

 

[AbideWithMe]

No, I cannot see it.

Given your posting history here you have a strange disposition of misreading Catholics’ comments and either proclaiming outrage at something innocuous, or declaring that this innocuous statement was something outrageous.

I cannot abide by that.

PRm—Huh? Where is the outrage? I thought I made it clear that if a Catholic were to say my beliefs were heretical, I would take no offense, because I understand that to them it’s a simple statement of fact.

I think you’re misreading my tone.

 

[AbideWithMe]

Haha

It seemed like you really wanted to be so sure !

So if I consider your beliefs heretical it builds up your evangelical orthodoxy right?!:yup::yup::tiphat:

Nope–I’m just looking, as I said before, for information–straight-forward, good old information, such as that the sinner’s prayer, as practiced by Evangelicals, would indeed by considered heretical by Catholics. So, thanks to you, I did learn something on this thread. Yay!

I have some more questions, but I’m always tight on time since I live on a farm. I need to be up in less than 4 hours, and I haven’t slept at all!

 

[PRmerger]

PRm—Huh? Where is the outrage? I thought I made it clear that if a Catholic were to say my beliefs were heretical, I would take no offense, because I understand that to them it’s a simple statement of fact.

Your response here in this thread was of the latter example. Other responses in other threads were examples of the former.

 

[PRmerger]

No, I won’t deny it, PRm. I just forgot exactly what I wrote before.

sigh

 

[AbideWithMe]

No, I cannot see it.

Given your posting history here you have a strange disposition of misreading Catholics’ comments and either proclaiming outrage at something innocuous, or declaring that this innocuous statement was something outrageous.

I cannot abide by that.

I’m still scratching my head over this, PRm. That’s pretty disturbing if you think I have a history of getting outraged here, but, uh, no, I’m just puzzled, not outraged.

So, um, what happens to people when you cannot abide by what you think they’re doing?

 

[AbideWithMe]

Your response here in this thread was of the latter example. Other responses in other threads were examples of the former.

Um, no. Just no. You’re mistaken.

 

[Jon_S_1]

Um, no. Just no. You’re mistaken.

So funny to watch the things we can quibble over…

 

[Indifferently]

Some RC view auricular Confession as a magic trick. Not sure what form often absolutely I’d uses. W havehave thus from the bcp:

Our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath left power to his Church to absolve all sinners who truly repent and believe in him, of his great mercy forgive thee thine offences: And by his authority committed to me, I absolve thee from all thy sins, In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.

 

[CB_Catholic]

Back to the original topic. I would have to say that I don’t see anything heretical in the sinners prayer. It is a valid sound prayer. I think what could be considered heretical is the teaching surrounding the prayer. The teaching that this is what you need to say “to get out of hell free” in particular would be heretical to a catholic. Even I think the idea that this prayer somehow makes you a Christian could be heretical teaching as the Catholic Church believes that one must be baptized to become a Christian. I think we would acknowledge together that the prayer is a good way to open the door to faith. Catholics would counsel people making the altar call to go to the local parish and enroll in RCIA and get baptized. Many protestants would counsel them to go join a Church to learn the Bible, but would probably consider them saved/Christians already.

I know Billy Graham often had Catholic Priests/Lay People assist at his altar calls. I am not sure if they gave specifically catholic counsel to who they encountered or merely guided them to dig deeper, but like I said if its seen as opening the door to the Christian life, then we can all live with that.

This.

 

[PRmerger]

Some RC view auricular Confession as a magic trick. Not sure what form often absolutely I’d uses. W havehave thus from the bcp:

Then they have departed from the Faith of the Apostles.

However, if some folks view the Sinner’s Prayer/Altar call as “instantaneous salvation”, they are simply conforming to their pastor’s views. They are being obedient to what they have been taught.

ltwin affirms this here:

This may be what some are taught.

 

[PRmerger]

No, I won’t deny it, PRm. I just forgot exactly what I wrote before.

 

[Jon_S_1]

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LOL