Ireland asks Israel to allow ship to Gaza

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In my mind, before the Church can make a just statement, it should also condemn in the strongest terms those who provoke the IDF by scorning the blockade.
Perhaps the church has no problem with that which is illegal being scorned, and designed to inflict illegal collective punishment on the innocent siffering people of Gaza, including many innocent Catholics and other Christians.
 
That wasn’t the case for WWII. Winning the war with violence was about the only way to ‘spawn’ peace actually. It wasn’t all it took of course. It was part of the solution though for sure.

Lose the war in Vietnam, and the next thing that you know you have a full-blown genocide in Cambodia. Signing a peace accord along the dotted line was insufficient to bring peace.

Very sweet of the pope to say so, but it doesn’t much jive with the segment of modern history that has spanned his own lifetime.
I love how people bring up World War II as if it just happened in a vacuum. World War II was in a lot of ways a direct result of World War 1. You had Germany and others with a lot of grievances.

And World War I was definetly a war that could have been avoided it was all about different World powers jockeying for position. If we hadn’t had World War I, there’s a good chance that the Communist Revolution in Russia wouldn’t have taken place. World War II would have perhaps never happened, Heck this Israel/Palestine conflict might have never happened, Countries like Yugoslavia might have never been in existence. How much more do you want to go.

Sometimes yes war is necessary, but most of the time it is not, and most of the time it absolutely doesn’t solve anything.

And second perhaps if the peace in Treaty Versailles had been a bit more just and/or the Allies afterwards had really been ready to enforce it via Hitler from the beginning, World War II would have happened.

Of course though at the end World War II was necessary because Hitler was invading all kinds of nations, but that doesn’t mean the War wasn’t going to happen.

And as for what happened in Cambodia. Well, you could point out that it was the Vietnamese Communists who eventually dealt with Pol Pot and his ilk. I could also point out that maybe if Vietnam had been granted Self determination after World War 1, that maybe the whole thing wouldn’t have happened.

The Pope is right that violence doesn’t solve the problems. And violence in the end didn’t really solve things with Germany. Because its not like the United States, unlike Israel. Decided that they were going to send American families to live in and colonize Germany. While restricting the Germans freedom, if the US had formed policies like this, you better believe we’d still have violence from Germany today.
 
Perhaps the Church is a bit more clued in and through it’s contacts knows what some of us already knew, and some of us chose to ignore:
Perhaps the church has no problem with that which is illegal being scorned, and designed to inflict illegal collective punishment on the innocent siffering people of Gaza, including many innocent Catholics and other Christians.
Perhaps, more than likely, the Vatican level Church is clued more into International politics than into scripture. In the OT, the Heavenly Father says, regarding Israel, “Those who curse you shall be cursed…and those who bless you shall be blessed…”

I’ve posted here as much as I can, and see that I’m just not getting through to some of you to take with many grains of salt any International claims against Israel.

So, I’m unsubscribing from this thread and this is my last post on this thread.
 
Perhaps, more than likely, the Vatican level Church is clued more into International politics than into scripture. In the OT, the Heavenly Father says, regarding Israel, “Those who curse you shall be cursed…and those who bless you shall be blessed…”.
I feel confident in stating that the Vatican and it’s scholars are pretty clued into scripture - both OT and NT.

From a priest on EWTN:
What is the Catholic teaching and view of the nation of Israel and the Jewish people in this day and time? Does God deal with the Jews now as He did in the Old Testament? Why or why not?
The Catholic Church does not take an official position regarding the modern State of Israel, unlike some Pentecostals and others who view Israel as having some inherent right to the land. **In fact, the destruction of the Jewish Temple and loss of the land for nearly 2000 years suggests that there is no divine right to the land, in the New Testament period. Modern Judaism is an apostate religion, and is no longer the true religion of God. **While God has not completely abandoned Jews, most especially for the sake of their ancestors, neither does He promote a religion that rejects the true Messiah, Jesus Christ.
ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?number=459317&Pg=Forum7&Pgnu=1&recnu=1

I won’t be strapping a lightening rod to my bike anytime soon.
 
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