Ireland referendum rigged!

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The official result was […] a preposterous 22 [percentage] points […] out of step with the final opinion poll of the campaign. And that was no rogue poll - other surveys put the anti-abortion side even higher. […] Canvassers in towns and villages across Ireland reported huge support for the pro-life cause on doorsteps - sometimes at rates of 100 percent, yet the official result recorded a majority for the abortion cause in almost every constituency, and the pro-aborts won the national vote by two to one.
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I never considered this seriously, but who knows. A two-thirds victory really is a little odd, isn’t it? Why wasn’t it a closer call? And the thing is, rigging elections is so terribly easy now that voting is electronic… There is no way for anyone to verify whether the outcome was fair or rigged. (Same goes for all electronic elections.) You’re supposed to trust the computers.
 
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This is entirely likely. It’s my firm belief that the rulers of this world use democracy as a cloak for tyranny. The rulers use democracy as a tool to silence dissent and give the appearance of consent. Democracy is the velvet glove which hides the iron fist of plutocratic rule.
 
They may be onto something. What exactly does repealing the 8th Amendment mean?
 
The Irish use the same voting method as Northern Ireland and similar to Britain- you need proof of ID, proof of address (in the rest of Britain you don’t need this yet), and votes are on paper, counted by hand. No electronic voting machines.
It would be really difficult to rig it- you can’t just rig the counting machine as there isn’t one.
The blog post you linked to sounds like it was written by a disappointed conspiracy theorist, imho.
EDIT- grammar.
 
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Yes, these elections weren’t electronic. Here’s more about how they’re done: Voting in a referendum.

I don’t think that blog is a good place to get any information about the referendum.
 
Is Ireland still a traditionally Catholic country?

The Church was involved in a number of scandals and a lot of people there really, really, hate the Church.
 
GodSpawned said:
The Irish use the same voting method as Northern Ireland and similar to Britain- you need proof of ID, proof of address (in the rest of Britain you don’t need this yet), and votes are on paper, counted by hand. No electronic voting machines.
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I admit that if the voting is not electronic, it’s considerably harder to rig it. But still not at all impossible. It just requires the involvement of more people. How much more depends on how and where the counting is done, and whether outcomes are published by voting office, or by district, or that only overall results are published. If the latter, rigging is easy even if it’s “hand-counted”. Does anyone know?

Of course I’m pursuing this line of thought because it would allow me to go on believing that much less than 67% of Ireland are all for killing unborns. I’m clinging to a thread, I know. but I’m gonna cling a little longer.

(And of course the source of the article is a conspiracy theorist. But that’s not proof that it isn’t true. The discrepancy between the poll and the outcome really is unheard of.)
 
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All results are counted in the polling station, and they’re counted and verified by more than one person.
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Hm, I looked at that page you linked. It looks like Ireland is divided up into 40 voting districts, and the results are published for every district, as well as the total result.

But the question is one of verifiability. Surely there are more than 40 voting stations in Ireland (what are called “precincts” in the USA), so the numbers that are actually known to local vote-counters are somehow “combined” into these district-level results. Who does this adding up of local (precinct-level) results into district level results? Is it a verifiable process?
 
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Sarcelle said:
Is Ireland still a traditionally Catholic country?

The Church was involved in a number of scandals and a lot of people there really, really, hate the Church.
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Nonetheless, it was traditionally Catholic. I thought everyone knew that.
 
Not anymore.
As you said yourself, Ireland was a traditionally Catholic country. If the same polls were to be conducted 50 years ago, it would have different results.
 
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I never considered this seriously, but who knows. A two-thirds victory really is a little odd, isn’t it? Why wasn’t it a closer call? And the thing is, rigging elections is so terribly easy now that voting is electronic… There is no way for anyone to verify whether the outcome was fair or rigged. (Same goes for all electronic elections.) You’re supposed to trust the computers.
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What electronic voting?

And, you’ll note, this blog presents absolutely zero proof.
 
As I’ve been informed in more than one thread, polls are all bunk.

Add the referendum polls to the heap.
 
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A two-thirds victory really is a little odd, isn’t it? Why wasn’t it a closer call?
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People may not have wanted the pollster to know that they were pro-abortion.
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That’s the first thing that came to my mind.
Also you have to take into consideration all those Irish citizens living abroad who made a point of coming home to vote in this referendum. They wouldn’t have been included in the poll.
 
i think the first two posts in this thread

while dichotomous; are correct
 
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