Ireland referendum rigged!

[QContinuum]

Also you have to take into consideration all those Irish citizens living abroad who made a point of coming home to vote in this referendum. They wouldn’t have been included in the poll.

Bingo.

10 char

 

[Axsenex]

I know it’s hard to believe but the result is legit but I love the reference to Info Wars joke.

 

[Lou2U]

Who does this adding up of local (precinct-level) results into district level results ? Is it a verifiable process?

This is what I’ve found about it:

2.8 The Count
The votes are counted in the individual constituencies at a designated count centre. The count
commences at 9 a.m. on the day after polling day. Each ballot box is opened and the number of
ballot papers checked against a return furnished by the presiding officer. The votes for and
against the proposal are counted and the result is reported by the local returning officer to the
referendum returning officer. The counting is observed by persons appointed for this purpose
by members of the Oireachtas and by bodies approved by the Referendum Commission.
2.9 Referendum Result
Based on the local returning officers reports from each constituency, the referendum returning
officer draws up a provisional referendum certificate stating the overall result of the voting and
indicating whether or not the proposal has been approved. The provisional certificate is
published in Iris Oifigiúil (the Official Gazette). Within 7 days after formal publication, any
elector may apply to the High Court for leave to present a petition questioning the provisional
certificate. If no petition is presented, the certificate becomes final and, if it shows that the
majority of the votes cast were in favour of the proposal, the relevant Bill is signed by the
President and the Constitution is amended accordingly

https://www.laois.ie/wp-content/uploads/The-Referendum-in-Ireland-1.pdf (p.6).

 

[Roguish]

This article talks about counting up locally: http://www.thejournal.ie/election-count-2625985-Feb2016/. It doesn’t talk about what happens afterwards, although I assume the process would be just as controlled.

Hm, it’s an interesting article, to be sure. For one, it clarifies that the votes are not counted locally (i.e. where they are cast). They are transferred to the “counting centre” for the constituency, which already involves combining the votes from many voting stations into one. That’s not necessarily a good thing from a verifiability perspective. And as you said, there’s no explanation of who gets to add the votes up, and whether or not that process is verifiable.

Point is, I agree that voting can’t be rigged on a local level if it’s paper-based. That’s just impossible. But that doesn’t rule out the possibility of rigging at another level. It’s obvious to any would-be rigger that manipulation at a higher level is easier (fewer people involved) and more effective (can influence the outcome more significantly).

 

[Roguish]

Also you have to take into consideration all those Irish citizens living abroad who made a point of coming home to vote in this referendum. They wouldn’t have been included in the poll.

Ah, yes, those pesky pro-abortion Irish expats. But you see, that’s speculation either way. We don’t know that the average non-resident Irishman (or woman) is typically a pro-abortionist. We could just as easily speculate that they are typically pro-lifers. So expats flying home for the referendum (or can they vote from abroad?) can’t be shown to be the reason (even in part) for the difference between the polls and the outcome.

 

[Rob2]

Ireland referendum rigged !

There is no evidence for it .

It is denial in recent decades by some in the Church in Ireland that has in some way led to the present state of affairs .

As Archbishop Eamon Martin , Primate of All Ireland says , " It is a new time and a change of culture , but it is not something that is out of the blue . Over many years , we have seen a drift away from practices of our faith in our congregations and parishes and a lower degree of involvement from people . This abortion referendum now confirms we are in a new space ."

Silly blogs do no service to the Catholic Church in Ireland .

 

[Roguish]

Silly blogs do no service to the Catholic Church in Ireland .

Nor do pro-abortion voting “catholics”!

There is no evidence for it .

Of course not, and there never will be. As I wrote above, I’m clinging to a thread. I’d rather believe the referendum was rigged than to live with the fact that my so-called fellow “catholics” are okay with killing unborn babies. See where I’m coming from? Now tell me the referendum wasn’t rigged.

 

[Axsenex]

Trying to win ?

 

[Roguish]

Trying to win ?

Who, me? Always.

 

[Phemie]

Phemie:

Also you have to take into consideration all those Irish citizens living abroad who made a point of coming home to vote in this referendum. They wouldn’t have been included in the poll.

Ah, yes, those pesky pro-abortion Irish expats. But you see, that’s speculation either way. We don’t know that the average non-resident Irishman (or woman) is typically a pro-abortionist. We could just as easily speculate that they are typically pro-lifers. So expats flying home for the referendum (or can they vote from abroad?) can’t be shown to be the reason (even in part) for the difference between the polls and the outcome.

It’s my understanding that they had to go home to vote. Those who were interviewed made no bones about why they were going back and it wasn’t to insure that the ban remained in place. Not living there may have made it easier to speak their minds. There would be no repercussions afterwards.

 

[Augustinian]

Irish Referendum Was Rigged

The exit polls were on target with the final result.

In any event, there will be future elections in Ireland, and if they people don’t care for legal abortion, those candidates supporting it will face defeat

 

[Roguish]

The exit polls were on target with the final result.

So you’re saying the referendum wasn’t rigged?

 

[Roguish]

Those who were interviewed made no bones about why they were going back and it wasn’t to insure that the ban remained in place.

Really… I hadn’t heard about that, but I’ll take your word for it. Horrible. Btw, were those returning expats asked whether they were (or considered themselves) Catholics, nominally and/or practicing?

 

[misstherese]

I also heard that many non citizens showed up and voted who came from out of Ireland

 

[Lou2U]

I also heard that many non citizens showed up and voted who came from out of Ireland

No non-Irish citizens could have voted, but Irish citizens living outside of Ireland could return to vote, and thousands did.

 

[Roguish]

I also heard that many non citizens showed up and voted who came from out of Ireland

Yeah, you mean foreigners? I read that too, but I don’t think we can assume they were necessarily pro-abortionists. On the other hand, very strange that they received voting cards. Irish administrative system can’t keep track of who’s a citizen and who’s not? Very, very strange.

 

[Phemie]

Phemie:

Those who were interviewed made no bones about why they were going back and it wasn’t to insure that the ban remained in place.

Really… I hadn’t heard about that, but I’ll take your word for it. Horrible. Btw, were those returning expats asked whether they were (or considered themselves) Catholics, nominally and/or practicing?

Here’s one example:

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www.cbc.ca

 

[Roguish]

Let’s see how bad things really are:

CAF poll on legalized abortion (Ireland all over again) Apologetics

OK, so what with the Ireland referendum having shaken us (or at least me) up quite a bit, let’s see how things would have turned out if the referendum had been held among CAF users. Let’s simplify the question. So instead of phrasing it in terms of a “repeal” of some “amendment”, let’s phrase it in a straightforward manner: If you had been allowed to vote in the Ireland referendum, would you have voted YES for legalized abortions, or NO against legalized abortions. “I would have voted…” poll

 

[Lou2U]

I really, really doubt you’re going to get anyone admitting to voting for abortion here on CAF. For one thing, people tend to be much more stronger in their beliefs here than your average Catholic. Furthermore, no-one will say it if they think someone will call them out on it.

 

[Roguish]

I really, really doubt you’re going to get anyone admitting to voting for abortion here on CAF. For one thing, people tend to be much more stronger in their beliefs here than your average Catholic. Furthermore, no-one will say it if they think someone will call them out on it.

Hm, an interesting line of reasoning, Lou. So you’re saying that even though 67% of the Irish people voted yes, which would suggest that being pro-abortion is by now “normal” even in a traditionally catholic nation such as Ireland, being pro-abortion is somehow still something that the average human being feels a little bit ashamed of… something he or she will hide if there is a risk of being found out. That is a very interesting observation, don’t you think?

P.S. You better get your vote in before the poll closes