Ireland "running out of priests."

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independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/clergy-in-crisis-forget-father-ted-ireland-is-running-out-of-priests-913326.html
When the Catholic Archbishop of Dublin, Diarmuid Martin, solemnly ordained this year’s crop of new priests in his diocese last month, he called them all by their first names.
This did not involve any great feat of memory on his part since there were, after all, only three of them. Michael, Richard and Dan are the only newly ordained priests for Dublin’s million-plus Catholics.
To blame?
  1. Secularization
  2. Irritating Church secrecy and sex abuse scandals.
  3. Lack of married priests. Church of Ireland (Anglican) has a thriving list of clergy now.
 
I think 1 and 2 have more to do with it than 3. This is evident by the surplus of Irish priests until Vatican II. PS the church of Ireland should return all property seized during the usurpation and reformation.
 
PS the church of Ireland should return all property seized during the usurpation and reformation.
If they did return it all, how could it be used if the Catholic Church has too few priests in that country?
 
Maybe the “Celtic Tiger” is too prosperous and Priests do not want to live a life of voluntary poverty.
 
Maybe the “Celtic Tiger” is too prosperous and Priests do not want to live a life of voluntary poverty.
Actually almost no one in Ireland wants to be a priest to begin with anymore, or in growing numbers even be Catholic or Christian in general, and the priests already there are getting old and dying off, which is more or less the situation in a nutshell.

And yes, Ireland is losing its Catholic identity, for better or worse.:hmmm:
 
I am not talking about their use, this Churches were financed, built, preserved, and served by Catholics. It is their (our) property! The grave of St. Patrick himself, pray for us, lies in Down Padraig at a cathedral seized by protestants during the usurpation.

That is bollocks!
 
wow, are you serious? 3 new priests for a million people? …damn.
 
Actually almost no one in Ireland wants to be a priest to begin with anymore, or in growing numbers even be Catholic or Christian in general, and the priests already there are getting old and dying off, which is more or less the situation in a nutshell.

And yes, Ireland is losing its Catholic identity, for better or worse.:hmmm:
It will be like Hong Kong, a secular libertarian utopia.
 
  1. Lack of married priests. Church of Ireland (Anglican) has a thriving list of clergy now.
That’s nice. Their heretical teachings are also thriving, but that doesn’t mean we should do things their way.

My family is Irish and one of my first cousins is living in Ireland and going to school. He said that the priest shortage is caused by a change in the way people are becoming priests there. Families used to have one of their sons become a priest a lot of the time whether they wanted to or not, so a lot of people became priests that did not have a call to the priesthood. Now they are not doing that anymore and so there are fewer people becoming priests.

In Christ,
Rand
 
Hong Kong still canes people.:eek: They regulate personal choices more then any other so called “free” state.
I know Singapore does, but I most certainly do not endorse libertarianism.

But economic freedom and political freedom do not always go hand-in-hand as Milton Friedman’s admits. Here is the remark: “political freedom, once established, has a tendency to destroy economic freedom.”

Of course, that doesn’t mean we can blame him for the suppression of political freedoms in Chile. Here are his remarks in the proper context:

cbe.csueastbay.edu/~sbesc/frlect.html
 
I know Singapore does, but I most certainly do not endorse libertarianism.

But economic freedom and political freedom do not always go hand-in-hand as Milton Friedman’s admits. Here is the remark: “political freedom, once established, has a tendency to destroy economic freedom.”

Of course, that doesn’t mean we can blame him for the suppression of political freedoms in Chile. Here are his remarks in the proper context:

cbe.csueastbay.edu/~sbesc/frlect.html
I don’t go into your recommended sites. When I was a young, single, university student I did not get involved in the extream fringe. Now that I am a graduate of the university system, wife, mother and grandmother I stay even farther away from the fringe.
 
I don’t go into your recommended sites. When I was a young, single, university student I did not get involved in the extream fringe. Now that I am a graduate of the university system, wife, mother and grandmother I stay even farther away from the fringe.
Well, it isn’t a left-wing website, it is the complete transcript of a lecture from Milton Friedman. You could read the entire speech without any leftist (such as myself or Naomi Klein) taking things out of context. He said that political freedom and economic freedom might opposed each other, but he didn’t say that they were fundamentally incompatible although, in my view, complete economic freedom is undesirable. The relationship between political freedom and economic freedom is complex, of course.

Now, let’s get back on topic.

What about Protestantism, is that in decline too? I wonder if there is a general trend towards secularism.
 
I don’t deny for a second that the Church is going through a very difficult time in Ireland at the moment. However, as I see it, it is most certainly not all doom and gloom. Certainly, the figures tell part of the story - 3 ordinations for the Archdiocese of Dublin is disappointing - but anyone who regularly reads Irish newspapers will often see how many people in the media have a very strong agenda against the Church: it is open to venomous criticism from all angles - criticised when it doesn’t act on certain issues and criticised when it does act by those who firmly believe that the Church and its teachings have no place in Irish society. When it comes to Ireland and the Church, one must so often take the media’s slant with a pinch of salt.

The picture on the ground is actually quite positive in my opinion. After a very turbulent decade in the Irish Church, it does seem to be finding its voice again. In terms of vocations, there does seem to be a slight recovery in terms of the numbers of men entering the National Seminary. Even though we’ve seen the priest shortage coming for the past decade, it seems that it is only now that the bishops are seriously trying to reverse the trend of falling vocations - but better late than never! I’ve noticed a greater amount of vocations literature and posters in church porches and the advertisement of the website aimed at promoting vocations - www.vocations.ie . There is, in my opinion, much more active work which needs to be done in terms of attracting vocations to religious life - I think vocations directors should be going to schools and colleges and actively promoting it as a worthwhile path for one to take. Parents, of course, have a duty too in this, although I am sure it has been very difficult for many Irish parents to encourage their children in a religious vocation given the vast opportunities that were available to young people here during the 1990’s and up to the present time.

Many people seem to be greatly lamenting the fact that religious orders in Ireland are slowly letting go of the influence they had in the health and education systems. Again, I don’t think this is evidence of a truly weakening Church - granted, many of the orders which have pulled out of health and education have done so due to falling vocations, but even the religious orders themselves do not want the education system completely run by the Catholic Church - even today, over 90% of Ireland’s schools are operated under the patronage of the Catholic Church! Perhaps, our religious orders can take the oportunity to examine where in Irish society their ministry can now be put to best use.

You might be interested to note that the Irish bishops have recently set up a website - www.catholicbishops.ie - which aims to give people a clear insight into developments in the Catholic Church in Ireland. It also includes some video clips, including audio recordings of Pope John Paul II homilies and speeches from his 1979 pilgrimage to Ireland…
 
Vocations abound where the faith is taught and practiced properly. Case in point, the diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska, among others. The bishop, the priests, and the faithful are orthodox in their beliefs and practices. In other words, they are faithful Catholics, not just culture Catholics. They have lots of vocations to the priesthood and religious life. I think vocations are a gift from God to a diocese when it is faithful to Him.
 
Vocations abound where the faith is taught and practiced properly. Case in point, the diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska, among others. The bishop, the priests, and the faithful are orthodox in their beliefs and practices. In other words, they are faithful Catholics, not just culture Catholics. They have lots of vocations to the priesthood and religious life. I think vocations are a gift from God to a diocese when it is faithful to Him.
When the people think it is a gift to have a child make the decision to serve God and Holy Mother Church vocations will abound. Our homeschool group has one confirmed vocation and three others discerning. The younger boys are being prayed over for Gods will to be done.

Where we live many of the parents say they want other children to become priests and are vocal with the “not my child I only have one or two”. Sad to say not many will say “take all of mine”.
 
Vocations abound where the faith is taught and practiced properly. Case in point, the diocese of Lincoln, Nebraska, among others. The bishop, the priests, and the faithful are orthodox in their beliefs and practices. In other words, they are faithful Catholics, not just culture Catholics. They have lots of vocations to the priesthood and religious life. I think vocations are a gift from God to a diocese when it is faithful to Him.
You seem to be implying that the faith in Ireland is not being ‘taught and practised properly’ and that the faithful in Ireland are somehow not as orthodox in their beliefs and practices as those in, say, Lincoln, Nebraska. Can you elaborate as to how you have come to this opinion?
 
I agree we are running out of priests , in IRELAND , but we must trust GOD that he will guide us safetly through this crisis. He has brought us through wars , famine,tortures through being betrayed by some pastors ,the favourite words of the beloved JOHN PAUL were BE NOT AFRAID, GOD has brought us so far he will not let us down down now .
 
Yellow Belle, we can discern that fact by the “fruits” or, lack thereof, of vocations to the priesthood and religious life in Ireland. Living one’s Catholic faith means more than going through the motions. There has been a strong movement by secular humanists (athiests) to try to destroy the Catholic Church in the free world (they’ll never succeed, but they are doing much damage). They began by infiltrating the schools that teach the teachers. They introduced all this New Age mentality to the teachers to the point where the teachers didn’t know the faith enough to teach the children properly in many areas. CCD in most dioceses in the U.S. (not the ones to which I referred, but most) stands for Color, Cut, and Draw. The kids learn next to NOTHING about the faith. The CCD programs are basically useless.

Never fear, though. We know how it all ends. God wins. 🙂
 
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