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mlund
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This is the result of trying to have the Government give you everything you want - freedom from want, distress, and troubles. Some people eventually get it into their heads that there ought to be a law to forbid speech that offends them. They weasel such censorship into the public discourse insidiously.
First it is just opposition to violence - like any nation of laws should have. Next it logically extends to the conspiracy to commit violence (OK, I follow you here). Then it is inflammatory rhetoric to incite violence (hm, who decides what’s incitement?). The follow-up from their is “intimidation,” (well, that’s often a matter of who’s framing the discussion …) and shortly thereafter “hate-speech” (hey, wait a minute …) and Bob’s your uncle - police state thinking (oops, too late).
The scale works the same way with the means too. First it’s restrictions on government power. Then it is restrictions on vendors and service providers the government hires. Then it is public-funding for services, regulation on who can use public land, and deciding what children can and can not be taught in schools. Once that’s done you move on to fines and penalties to punish people who provide healthcare, education, and employment in the private sector. By the time you realize that they’ve got control of the street-corner, the main street shops, the churches, and your homes it’s too late.
But you’ve still got “freedom of speech” because there’s open access to pornography and pirated media on the Internet, right?
Jeez, it’s like 1984 came 30 years late.
First it is just opposition to violence - like any nation of laws should have. Next it logically extends to the conspiracy to commit violence (OK, I follow you here). Then it is inflammatory rhetoric to incite violence (hm, who decides what’s incitement?). The follow-up from their is “intimidation,” (well, that’s often a matter of who’s framing the discussion …) and shortly thereafter “hate-speech” (hey, wait a minute …) and Bob’s your uncle - police state thinking (oops, too late).
The scale works the same way with the means too. First it’s restrictions on government power. Then it is restrictions on vendors and service providers the government hires. Then it is public-funding for services, regulation on who can use public land, and deciding what children can and can not be taught in schools. Once that’s done you move on to fines and penalties to punish people who provide healthcare, education, and employment in the private sector. By the time you realize that they’ve got control of the street-corner, the main street shops, the churches, and your homes it’s too late.
But you’ve still got “freedom of speech” because there’s open access to pornography and pirated media on the Internet, right?
Jeez, it’s like 1984 came 30 years late.
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Filii_Dei
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It is amusing that the good bishop’s words proved to be prophetic, but sadly unto himself.
Hate speech must be controlled, but this is nothing of the sort. This is simply a commentary (now proven true) on the ongoing tension in his society. What about all the avowed anti-Catholics who hurl abuse and insult at good and faithful Catholics, and call to overthrow the Church? Why is it permitted for the anti-Catholics to do this, but when a bishop wishes to expose this contempt (and he doesn’t even call for the state to suppress it), he is himself prosecuted as a criminal?
I pray that this injustice against His Lordship may be exposed for what it is - intimidation - and that he may not lose his fervour and fire to teach his flock freely.
Hate speech must be controlled, but this is nothing of the sort. This is simply a commentary (now proven true) on the ongoing tension in his society. What about all the avowed anti-Catholics who hurl abuse and insult at good and faithful Catholics, and call to overthrow the Church? Why is it permitted for the anti-Catholics to do this, but when a bishop wishes to expose this contempt (and he doesn’t even call for the state to suppress it), he is himself prosecuted as a criminal?
I pray that this injustice against His Lordship may be exposed for what it is - intimidation - and that he may not lose his fervour and fire to teach his flock freely.
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mdgspencer
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There is no sign that that this charge is going anywhere, and this complaint seem too riduculous to go anywhere further.
Of course, such people may be able to go more successfully against a priest who says homosexual acts are sinful, for example, now that such a law is in place.
Of course, such people may be able to go more successfully against a priest who says homosexual acts are sinful, for example, now that such a law is in place.
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Teelynn
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And so it begins…
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Laudate_Dominum
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Hm… if His Lordship would be willing to suffer for Christ, any possible backlash from the world could serve to awaken Catholics to what is going on.
If even bishops aren’t safe…
If even bishops aren’t safe…
The_Reginator
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I just had a quick read of this. Before rushing off to work I thought I’d share it here.
Bishop accused of incitement to hatred in homily.
Is Homosexuality Biologically Determined?
“High ho high ho it’s …” Be back later.
Bishop accused of incitement to hatred in homily.
Here is a commentary on this story.
Is Homosexuality Biologically Determined?
“High ho high ho it’s …” Be back later.
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centurionguard
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What gets me is how can a Bishop or Priest be legally censored and brought to court against something he said from a Catholic moral standpoint in his own church? 
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Joe_5859
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That guy’s investigation incites me to hatred. 
(Okay, I don’t really hate the guy, I pray for him and his conversion.
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(Okay, I don’t really hate the guy, I pray for him and his conversion.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Agreed!
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SamH
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Then why is it even being investigated? Anyone with a brain knows that it SHOULDN’T go anywhere but we are talking about the government.
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Rich_Olszewski
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Ireland, not the U.S.A. their procedure may be different.
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Filii_Dei
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Apologies if I may, but I don’t see the link.
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Filii_Dei
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That’s a fair point. I believe they’re compelled to pursue the complaint to follow due process. Let us pray and hope that this is thrown out.
The_Reginator
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Apologies if I may, but I don’t see the link.
Don’t worry.
I got meself all cornfused. I think I was looking at two different stories at the same time. As I was searching for a news story to go along with an opinion piece I seemed to have gotten confused.:hypno:
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