Irish Catholic schools under threat

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yougcatholic it’s only starting, this is the hard part we need to remember that these people even though they are trying to take down the church are our brothers and sisters and we must pray for them. everytime you see these people attacking offer up a hail mary for them. in the end God wins and God will judge. we most follow Jesus in offering up for a change of heart
 
Indeed, saveusfromhell, it is only starting, and I agree that we should pray for their conversion. I also think though that there is too much at stake for us to “offer it up” on its own. For many Irish children, their only encounter with the Faith is in school, and when that is undermined, we end up losing valuable crops for the Lord’s harvest. As Frank Duff said “pray as if everything depended on God; work as if everything depended on you”.
 
This only started when the Labour Party went into Government. The minister for education and the Party leader are both athiests! 😦
 
But this has been going on for a while though when the Labour crowd was not in power–there were pushes and protests. Now? Do they just want us to die off and be silent? We CAN’T!
 
LoyalViews said:
But this has been going on for a while though when the Labour crowd was not in power–there were pushes and protests. Now? Do they just want us to die off and be silent? We CAN’T!
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This Government, is only just over a year in power and they have managed to insult the Vatican, close the Vatican Embassy, and now want to remove religion from education. Then the he so-called ‘Clontarf Report’, which has been endorsed by Labour TD Aodhán Ó Ríordáin, which insists that ‘‘all senior officials in State bodies which are likely to have to deal with the Catholic Church should be screened to ensure that they will not show inappropriate deference to the Catholic Church’’.😦

irishcatholic.ie/site/content/labour-debate-ban-catholics-senior-posts
 
they are trying to take down the church are our brothers and sisters and we must pray for them. everytime you see these people attacking offer uphttp://www.infoocean.info/avatar4.jpg
 
Oh no. What do they think we are? A disease? That we must be contained or something? 😦
 
Hi
I’m in Ireland too and am also increasingly disheartened at the move to push our religion under the carpet, but hey, do they think we’ll go away that easily?!

Anyway, the way I look at it now - maybe it’s a good thing. How many of our Catholic schools are really Catholic, and putting the faith at the heart of school life as they are legally required to, if under Catholic patronage? When teachers mightn’t be great Catholics themselves, what kind of faith can they be hoped to pass on?

So, my hope is that, when this separation of Church/State does take place, and with it removes the Catholic patronage from schools, my hope is that there will be *real * Catholic schools that I can choose to send my kids to, and know that the faith really is being taught there. Even if these schools were further away, I’d be happy enough with that.

A secondary positive effect may be that if preparation for First Communion, Confessions, etc. is only offered outside school hours, and yet is obligatory for children and their parents to attend, we may have less of these charades surrounding the “big day” than are going on at the moment. That is, parents splashing out on dresses and suits who have no intention of ever teaching their child one iota about the Catholic faith. Not that I wish to deprive children of the sacraments, but extra-curricular preparation may make parents stop and think about their faith a bit more… Maybe?
 
It’s amazing that you throw a few atheists into government and religion gets kicked to the kerb.

Here is a link to one group (you no doubt have heard about), that are making good headway:

irelandstandup.org/

*Ireland Stand Up is one of several national lay initiatives respectfully campaigning to reverse this Government’s decision to close Ireland’s Embassy to the Holy See. The mainstay of this initiative is the forwarding of a postcard that requests Enda Kenny, in his capacity as Taoiseach:

To invite His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI to Ireland for the closing ceremonies of the 50th International Eucharistic Congress June 10th-17th 2012 in Croke Park, Dublin

and

To reinstate our Vatican Embassy so the Irish People, 87% (3.65million) Roman Catholic, continue to benefit from the Embassy’s historic, diplomatic presence. More info*
 
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This Government, is only just over a year in power and they have managed to insult the Vatican, close the Vatican Embassy, and now want to remove religion from education. Then the he so-called ‘Clontarf Report’, which has been endorsed by Labour TD Aodhán Ó Ríordáin, which insists that ‘‘all senior officials in State bodies which are likely to have to deal with the Catholic Church should be screened to ensure that they will not show inappropriate deference to the Catholic Church’’.😦

irishcatholic.ie/site/content/labour-debate-ban-catholics-senior-posts
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Labour are just closet-communists.
 
YoungIreland said:
Not content with discriminating against Catholics and closing down the Vatican embassy,
the Labour Party doesn’t want Catholic schools to be Catholic anymore ( and I am talking about the schools remaining after the changeover of patronage. Here is the full article:

independent.ie/national-news/…er-3075067.html

And here is my reaction to the report:

tellingitasitisirl.blogspot.com/2…eligion-in.html::mad:
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I read the “full article” link, but your reaction link, didn’t bring me to your words.

This is a very sad situation. I’m a religion teacher in a Catholic school in the U.S. and although I have many nonCatholic students, I still teach Catholic doctrine and traditions. Some students and parents complain, but we can advise them to attend a public school if they don’t like the teachings. I guess some prefer a generic Christian church. We will not change!
 
aschaefer said:
I read the “full article” link, but your reaction link, didn’t bring me to your words.

This is a very sad situation. I’m a religion teacher in a Catholic school in the U.S. and although I have many nonCatholic students, I still teach Catholic doctrine and traditions. Some students and parents complain, but we can advise them to attend a public school if they don’t like the teachings. I guess some prefer a generic Christian church. We will not change!
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That’s only proper, and “more power to you” as they say! If I sent my child to a Catholic school, I’d only EXPECT them to learn the doctrines and teachings of the Church!

If one wants generic Christian, the Church is not the place to look. We’re the original Christians, not the generic.
 
LoyalViews said:
That’s only proper, and “more power to you” as they say! If I sent my child to a Catholic school, I’d only EXPECT them to learn the doctrines and teachings of the Church!

If one wants generic Christian, the Church is not the place to look. We’re the original Christians, not the generic.
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Loyal Views is great!!
 
Amen! You are right - no other group would accept this type of treatment. People expect us to lie down and not react. We, Catholics, need to stand up for what is sacred to us or it will be taken away.
 
trials said:
Hi
I’m in Ireland too and am also increasingly disheartened at the move to push our religion under the carpet, but hey, do they think we’ll go away that easily?!

Anyway, the way I look at it now - maybe it’s a good thing. How many of our Catholic schools are really Catholic, and putting the faith at the heart of school life as they are legally required to, if under Catholic patronage? When teachers mightn’t be great Catholics themselves, what kind of faith can they be hoped to pass on?

So, my hope is that, when this separation of Church/State does take place, and with it removes the Catholic patronage from schools, my hope is that there will be *real * Catholic schools that I can choose to send my kids to, and know that the faith really is being taught there. Even if these schools were further away, I’d be happy enough with that.

A secondary positive effect may be that if preparation for First Communion, Confessions, etc. is only offered outside school hours, and yet is obligatory for children and their parents to attend, we may have less of these charades surrounding the “big day” than are going on at the moment. That is, parents splashing out on dresses and suits who have no intention of ever teaching their child one iota about the Catholic faith. Not that I wish to deprive children of the sacraments, but extra-curricular preparation may make parents stop and think about their faith a bit more… Maybe?
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Thank you; there is wisdom here.

There needs to be here in Ireland the separation of Church and State. There has been from the Church too much power wrongly used, too much abuse for it to stay as it was.

A great tide has turned here. One family I know, professionals and deeply and caringly involved with needs in their village community, told that their oldest son has been accepted at medical school. I asked what they would think if he had come home and said he wanted to be a priest. Immediate reply, “His father would help him pack; we are not having him associated with that lot!”

I have heard many similar comments. And this is understandable.

Good Catholic parents will always find the way to teach. By example, by love.
And that surely is the only real way to do this?

NB I read something. not sure how to find it again, that some of the bishops have made it impossible, I think by setting up trusts, for schools to change course. This is being frowned on as not honest.
 
YoungIreland said:
Not content with discriminating against Catholics and closing down the Vatican embassy,
the Labour Party doesn’t want Catholic schools to be Catholic anymore ( and I am talking about the schools remaining after the changeover of patronage. Here is the full article:

independent.ie/national-news/…er-3075067.html

And here is my reaction to the report:

tellingitasitisirl.blogspot.com/2…eligion-in.html::mad:
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That’s not all; any of you know this? The embassy of Ireland at India (New Delhi) became the first European embassy to invoke the blessings of Ganesha installed a statue of Ganesha at the main entrance of the embassy..
 
Pardon my ignorance on the Irish political system, but here’s a valid question.

If the country is 87% Roman Catholic, how did atheists get control?
They did have to vote, right?
 
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