Irish politicians grow restless waiting for Vatican response

[lizardley]

— Irish government seeks ‘absolute assurance,’ Minister says state ‘also has work to do’ after Cloyne Report.

— Senator backs call by priests’ group to postpone Eucharistic Congress.

To read more visit- sconews.co.uk/news/10938/irish-politicians-vatican-response/

 

[Little_One0307]

Do you really think the Vatican would approve of this? I don’t think so. Canon Law is very clear on it. Under no circumstances is the seal of confession to be broken. That will not change.

Praying for Ireland and Austrailia.

 

[Corki]

I am not sure what they expect. The failure to comply with the guidelines was on the part of local bishops, police and administrator’s, wasn’t it? The linked article said they want assurances the Vatican will comply with its guidelines. Was there ever any indication that anyone in the Vatican did not previously?

 

[Warrenton]

One thing that is important to remember: the more attention Irish politicians can direct to the Church, the less attention will be devoted to the economic crisis that affects the country.

 

[lrcatholic95]

Do you really think the Vatican would approve of this? I don’t think so. Canon Law is very clear on it. Under no circumstances is the seal of confession to be broken. That will not change.

Praying for Ireland and Austrailia.

Unfortunately Ireland has made it clear that they believe their civil law trumps canon law…I too am praying for Ireland and Mr. Kenny

 

[Little_One0307]

Unfortunately Ireland has made it clear that they believe their civil law trumps canon law…I too am praying for Ireland and Mr. Kenny

However what they believe or disbelieve does NOT change reality or Truth. They shall soon find this out soon enough.

 

[BlueSapphire]

I am a Catholic living in Ireland, and I am disgusted that Mr. Kenny lambasted the Vatican in order to divert attention from the Goverment’s own failings in child protection - they do not speak on my behalf. I have sent an e-mail to Mr. Kenny airing my grievances!

 

[BVM_1221]

I am not sure what they expect. The failure to comply with the guidelines was on the part of local bishops, police and administrator’s, wasn’t it? The linked article said they want assurances the Vatican will comply with its guidelines. Was there ever any indication that anyone in the Vatican did not previously?

As is the case in the USA, Germany, and everywhere else, it was the cover-up that created all the anger. These crimes…SINS…should not have happened in the first place. But to cover them up, blame the victims, blame the lawyers, blame the politicians…:crying:

By the way, have you read the speech that started the latest uproar? Here it is…

xtra.ca/public/National/Abuses_of_Catholic_Church_no_longer_to_be_tolerated_or_ignored-10538.aspx

 

[Corki]

As is the case in the USA, Germany, and everywhere else, it was the cover-up that created all the anger. These crimes…SINS…should not have happened in the first place. But to cover them up, blame the victims, blame the lawyers, blame the politicians…:crying:

I understand the anger. But in the US cases and those in Germany, the so-called “cover-ups” were not committed by the Vatican but rather in spite of the Vatican. Is the situation that much different in Ireland?

 

[David_Carlon]

politicians are simply the scum of the scum… is there even one on the planet that has morals?

 

[BVM_1221]

I understand the anger. But in the US cases and those in Germany, the so-called “cover-ups” were not committed by the Vatican but rather in spite of the Vatican. Is the situation that much different in Ireland?

Maybe, maybe not. What matters are peoples’ PERCEPTION of what happened. Many find it hard to accept the cover-ups in the first place, and cannot understand how the Vatican remained ignorant of what was going on. Nor can they understand why the Vatican seems to be dragging its feet. They do understand that the Church is doing everything it can to minimalize restitution payments :coffeeread:

 

[Corki]

Maybe, maybe not. What matters are peoples’ PERCEPTION of what happened. Many find it hard to accept the cover-ups in the first place, and cannot understand how the Vatican remained ignorant of what was going on. Nor can they understand why the Vatican seems to be dragging its feet. :coffeeread:

It was the Vatican that produced the guidelines in the first place. How is that being ignorant?

The Vatican has said it is preparing a response to the Irish govenment’s demands and will have it by the end of the month - which isn’t here yet. How is that “dragging its feet”?

 

[BVM_1221]

It was the Vatican that produced the guidelines in the first place. How is that being ignorant?

The Vatican has said it is preparing a response to the Irish govenment’s demands and will have it by the end of the month - which isn’t here yet. How is that “dragging its feet”?

Did you notice the word “perceptions” in my comment? Perceptions created in part by the mass media, yes. But not helped out by inept actions of the Church. At times I wonder if the Church needs to hire a Public Relations Firm:coffeeread:

 

[Corki]

Did you notice the word “perceptions” in my comment? Perceptions created in part by the mass media, yes.

The title of this thread is not “Irish **media **grows restless.”

I was trying to stay on topic.

 

[Pilgrim1701]

One thing that is important to remember: the more attention Irish politicians can direct to the Church, the less attention will be devoted to the economic crisis that affects the country.

+1

And it also deflects attention away from the states own failings in repsect to protection of vulnerable people.

 

[trials]

At the moment, and I live in Ireland, it does seem like the government have an agenda to remove any prevailing authority that the Church still has here. Yes, the flow of reports have been horrendous, and there are many different sectors responsible - though the Vatican is not one of the guiltier sources.

As I see it, since this new government have come in, they have tried to please the people on a number of issues - and since there is a growing voice of Catholic dissidents (the Association of Irish Priests for example), liberal Catholics, lapsed Catholics, etc., they are as I see it, trying to gain popularity as well as crush the Church here.

One of the first moves made by our new Education Minister was to begin a process of removing the Catholic patronage from schools here.

So following Mr. Kenny’s speech, it does seem like they are not going to let this drop until the Church - which they view as a hierarchical institution and not the body of believers making up the Mystical Body of Christ - has been run out of Ireland. Apologies and compensation from the Church will clearly never be enough. Even our main irish Catholic newspaper has a largely liberal agenda, and welcomed Mr. Kenny’s attack.

However, the core faithful still remain, and we will continue to pray silently for the Church in Ireland, for healing of the victims, for a clear direction through this mess and for a renewal of the faith here. What else can we do?

 

[BlueSapphire]

At the moment, and I live in Ireland, it does seem like the government have an agenda to remove any prevailing authority that the Church still has here. Yes, the flow of reports have been horrendous, and there are many different sectors responsible - though the Vatican is not one of the guiltier sources.

As I see it, since this new government have come in, they have tried to please the people on a number of issues - and since there is a growing voice of Catholic dissidents (the Association of Irish Priests for example), liberal Catholics, lapsed Catholics, etc., they are as I see it, trying to gain popularity as well as crush the Church here.

One of the first moves made by our new Education Minister was to begin a process of removing the Catholic patronage from schools here.

So following Mr. Kenny’s speech, it does seem like they are not going to let this drop until the Church - which they view as a hierarchical institution and not the body of believers making up the Mystical Body of Christ - has been run out of Ireland. Apologies and compensation from the Church will clearly never be enough. Even our main irish Catholic newspaper has a largely liberal agenda, and welcomed Mr. Kenny’s attack.

However, the core faithful still remain, and we will continue to pray silently for the Church in Ireland, for healing of the victims, for a clear direction through this mess and for a renewal of the faith here. What else can we do?

 

[Fink]

At times I wonder if the Church needs to hire a Public Relations Firm:coffeeread:

Youre probably only joking; but thats the last thing the Church needs!
Public Relations firms are for organisations which have something to hide; and this evil, festering thing has to be publicly lanced.

Thumbs up, too, trials!
i hope the Vatican puts E Kenny and Co in their place!

 

[Te_Deum]

Kenny: OHH! LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME! PAY ATTENTION!
Papa Bene: Sorry Kenny boy, the adults are busy right now, go play with your toys in the other room.

 

[Corki]

Youre probably only joking; but thats the last thing the Church needs!
Public Relations firms are for organisations which have something to hide; and this evil, festering thing has to be publicly lanced.

Thumbs up, too, trials!
i hope the Vatican puts E Kenny and Co in their place!

That’s not true. Many upstanding organizations use PR firms to make sure that the message the organization is sending is not garbled by the press or in translation. PR firms can be especially valuable for an organization that operates accross nations or cultures - just like the Church.

The Church has benefitted greatly by modenizing her approach to the media. Good PR counseling could also be a positive approach.