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TheMc
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Wow.
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George_Stegmeir
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Since when does a female Director of Worship dictate what the liturgy (which includes the sacred music) is. I always thought that area was the realm of a Bishop and locally, the Pastor of a parish. I, personally would report such shenanigans to the diocesan Bishop!I formed and ran a schola cantorum in my former parish for a year. The Director of Worship (the parish doesn’t have a Director of Music) said that “there will never be chant or polyphony” in that parish.
The Director of Worship told us that we could have a schola cantorum (but never for Mass) if we allowed the DW to vet membership and that we had an “official” member of the Music Ministry present at all our rehearsals. We met for a while in member’s homes till the parish (the DW) softened her stance and allowed us to book a room in parish for rehearsals (but not in any of the music rooms). Eventually, I grew weary of the hostility and disbanded the schola.
I now attend an Eastern Catholic Church. No drums there.
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YoungTradCath
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Well, if the priest gives her authority, she’s exercising his authority. I don’t agree with her, but just saying.
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I_Thirst
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As YoungTradCath said, she’s been given the authority by the priest.
I’m done with that parish. Not really interested in any of their shenanigans or music selections they make. After years of being in the music ministry there, I’ve seen how the sausage is made. I don’t think it is much different (from the music I’ve heard) in any of the parishes in this diocese.
I still go to that parish for Daily Mass, but not for Sunday Mass.
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NewsTheMan
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I know you have great intentions. I am sure of it, in fact. But please re-think this. I won’t say too much, give you documents to read, make any more arguments. I’ll only ask this: would you play drums if you were transported back in time to Calvary where Jesus Christ, bloodied and wounded with the weight of all the worlds sins, were dying shamefully among thieves while His Blessed Mother was weeping at His feet? Don’t have to answer me. It’s just something to think about
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agapewolf
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What you seem to forget is not only is it calgary, but it is also the resurrection.I know you have great intentions. I am sure of it, in fact. But please re-think this. I won’t say too much, give you documents to read, make any more arguments. I’ll only ask this: would you play drums if you were transported back in time to Calvary where Jesus Christ, bloodied and wounded with the weight of all the worlds sins, were dying shamefully among thieves while His Blessed Mother was weeping at His feet? Don’t have to answer me. It’s just something to think about
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NewsTheMan
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What is the resurrection? While Christ’s death cannot be separated from His death, the Mass is the unbloody sacrifice of Christ on the Cross. The Mass is literally a sacrifice. It is not fitting to try and justify irreverent and unholy noise by claiming that it’s a celebration of Christs resurrection that you are aiming at, while ignoring the sacrifice. In any case, personally… I wouldn’t be doing all that at Christ’s resurrection anyway. I would be prostrate on the floor worshipping at the feet of our Lord and King who is victorious over death. Solemnity, and reverence is called for.
Council of Trent Session 22:
Caritatis Studium by Pope Leo XIII:
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joshrp
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If I could make a food analogy, if the music used at Masses today were to affect the Eucharist, we wouldn’t be eating and drinking the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ God Almighty, we would be eating and drinking Big Macs and Mountain Dews. Listening to and enjoying pop-rock style music, especially at Mass, makes you into a mental, moral, emotional, and spiritual cripple. If any largescale apostasy and persecution of God’s Church comes, they’ll be all running with their tails between their legs because they go to Mass for the entertainment and not to increase in the knowledge of God. They don’t really want to know God, they just want to feel good about Him.
The pop music at Mass is garbage. I can’t wait until these pop tart style music fanatics all burn out because God allows them to go into great spiritual darkness for their shallowness and musical laziness. We are a musically lazy culture. There are no good composers of music in any form today. They are all producing horrible garbage. We need a Catholic Bach, and that is the only solution. Nothing else will renew the musical culture of the Church but a revolutionary genius like Bach. Anything less than a Bach like genius is going to be pitiful. No one who hasn’t mastered and surpassed Bach’s compositional knowledge and discoveries or at least seeks to, holds my interest. If you don’t want to know what Bach knew about composition and advance upon it, don’t waste my time with your garbage like pitiful music. It’s utter rubbish, all of it. All the liturgical composers are producing utter trash. It’s all trash, and I hope someone can prove me wrong, because I really would like to hear some liturgical music that makes me cry it is so beautiful. I have to be very forceful with this, because I cannot tiptoe around people’s tastes and preferences for garbage. You may love to listen to garbage, but eventually it is going to make you sick and throw up. You are injecting poison into your mind and soul, and you are then introducing it into the Sacred Liturgy of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
There has never been more utterly destructive poisonous garbage being called “music” in the history of creation than there is today. God is probably thinking “This is utterly pathetic. I created a Bach, and this is the kind of rubbish they listen to when receiving My Son.” We are all pathetic slobs. We are just slobs for tolerating this wretchedness.
The pop music at Mass is garbage. I can’t wait until these pop tart style music fanatics all burn out because God allows them to go into great spiritual darkness for their shallowness and musical laziness. We are a musically lazy culture. There are no good composers of music in any form today. They are all producing horrible garbage. We need a Catholic Bach, and that is the only solution. Nothing else will renew the musical culture of the Church but a revolutionary genius like Bach. Anything less than a Bach like genius is going to be pitiful. No one who hasn’t mastered and surpassed Bach’s compositional knowledge and discoveries or at least seeks to, holds my interest. If you don’t want to know what Bach knew about composition and advance upon it, don’t waste my time with your garbage like pitiful music. It’s utter rubbish, all of it. All the liturgical composers are producing utter trash. It’s all trash, and I hope someone can prove me wrong, because I really would like to hear some liturgical music that makes me cry it is so beautiful. I have to be very forceful with this, because I cannot tiptoe around people’s tastes and preferences for garbage. You may love to listen to garbage, but eventually it is going to make you sick and throw up. You are injecting poison into your mind and soul, and you are then introducing it into the Sacred Liturgy of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.
There has never been more utterly destructive poisonous garbage being called “music” in the history of creation than there is today. God is probably thinking “This is utterly pathetic. I created a Bach, and this is the kind of rubbish they listen to when receiving My Son.” We are all pathetic slobs. We are just slobs for tolerating this wretchedness.
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I_Thirst
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We were already given a Catholic Bach, Johann Christian Bach.
On a more serious note, Catholics have Palestrina, who came before Bach. One could consider Bach to be the Lutheran Palestrina. I’m amazed how often Catholics cite Bach and forget Palestrina. For others who have lost sight of Palestrina, I’d recommend reading this to get reacquainted.
At the request of the Vatican, he rewrote the main plainchant books of the Church, bringing the chants into harmony with the Council of Trent’s guidelines. His own compositions include more than 100 Masses, 250 motets, and 200 other liturgical works, including hymns, psalms, and Magnificats. Though all the great European composers before the modern age worked at one time or another for the Catholic Church, it is arguable that Palestrina’s music, more than any other composer’s, captures the sense of mystery and adoration characteristic of Catholic worship.
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agapewolf
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Lovely.
This is why I do not participate in these forums much anymore.
You can’t wait until people go to hell. Just lovely.
By the way, as shallow as you claim this music is, it is people’s prayer, so calling it garbage might lead you into “great spiritual darkness”.
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TheMc
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And AC/DC is my prayer. If you don’t think it’s acceptable for the liturgy, it will lead you into great spiritual darkness.
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agapewolf
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It’s not your prayer, its AC/DC’s prayer. You aren’t the composer of ACDC
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TheMc
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My point still stands. Saying “it’s their prayer” doesn’t mean anything in appropriateness for the liturgy.
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agapewolf
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No, it doesn’t.
I write a song that I pour my heart into and it is my prayer. Someone else calls it garbage. He then says that God says: “This is utterly pathetic…you are going to your spiritual dark place”.
Liturgy aside…the guy called people’s prayers garbage. This is aside from it being “suitable for liturgy”. He simply called people’s prayer garbage and put words in God’s mouth, as you have so been adamantly against before.
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agapewolf
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I didn’t say anything about appropriateness for liturgy. I countered him calling someone’s prayer garbage and saying he can’t wait till they go to hell.
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NewsTheMan
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A pop song is not a prayer…?
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