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palmas85
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Thats your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it.
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JReducation
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If you have a missal with the OF or a missalette, check what it says next to the Alleluia.
It may not observed, but the rule is there.
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JReducation
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Maybe you just need people who can sing.I have a terrible, terrible confession to make. Please…I…I…I shouldn’t…no, really…I really shouldn’t. Well…okay. If you insist:
At a nearby church that suffers, every Sunday night, during Teen Mass, the horrendous screeching of a female vocalist, accompanied by ‘Old West saloon-type’ piano playing by a middle-aged guy with an equally horrific voice, I have often wanted to bolt across the church, gently tackling both of them, setting fire to the piano (controlled fire, that is) and hollering out to the congregation, "FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND HUMANITY, LET US END THIS AUDITORY NIGHTMARE, ONCE AND FOR ALL. NO MORE MUSIC OF THIS KIND, ANYWHERE, ANY TIME, UNDER ANY CONDITIONS. WHO IS WITH ME?"
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LilyM
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I’ve seen many a missalette but I’m certain I’ve never seen it there (and I do look at the rubrics - especially to make sure they have the bow during the Creed)If you have a missal with the OF or a missalette, check what it says next to the Alleluia.
It may not observed, but the rule is there.
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mattkubes
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It might be a regional thing - that notice (that, if not sung, the Alleluia is omitted) has been present in every missalette I’ve seen in Canada! Although I’ve never heard any sort of reasoning for it.
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LilyM
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And do priests abide by it and omit the Alleluia if it isn’t sung?
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mattkubes
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As far as I can recall, I haven’t been to a Mass where it hasn’t been sung. But I still don’t understand why it wouldn’t be included…it takes so little time and is a nice point of reflection for what is about to happen.
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Frosty
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Yes they do, at least in every parish that I have belonged to. It’s usually the early morning Mass on Sundays and daily Mass when there is no choir or organ that the Gospel Acclamation is omitted.
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KingAlfred
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True. But the *saloon-style *piano playing must also stop. It’s the worst racket you’ve ever heard. The pianist/vocalist responsible should be fined for disturbing the peace, every Sunday night, IMO.Maybe you just need people who can sing.
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HelenRose
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It depends on whether or not there are musicians available and prepared for Mass. It is much better to not have music than to have music that is ill prepared. Musician do not have to be perfect or professional but it is important that there has been thought and preparation made.
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Sabda
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I don’t know if it’s a regional thing or not but we have that little note in our missals too. I’m in the US and quite a bit South of you.
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tobbias88
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Great! I think it is the best thing ever. Too many masses these days have become something akin to mini-concerts…mike-tapping, instruments tuning up, screaming sopranos and off-key kids…just awful.
How can one concentrate on the central aspect of the Sarcifice when all this constant disruption is going on. A remote soft choir somewhere hidden in the distant loft of the building is fine but when they all march on to the altar, that is most annoying. Gregorian chant was never in your face - just the faintest whisper of a Taize chant is enough.
A silent Mass with silent adoration is just wonderful. We seem to be scared of silence these days.
How can one concentrate on the central aspect of the Sarcifice when all this constant disruption is going on. A remote soft choir somewhere hidden in the distant loft of the building is fine but when they all march on to the altar, that is most annoying. Gregorian chant was never in your face - just the faintest whisper of a Taize chant is enough.
A silent Mass with silent adoration is just wonderful. We seem to be scared of silence these days.
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KingAlfred
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Liberals think Mass is all about* ‘group-love’*, in the context of the Last Supper. Conservatives view it as the solemn worship of God. I identify with the latter perspective. I have a friend who was raised ‘hardcore’ Catholic in Socialist England. She professes to no longer believe in God, but faithfully attends Mass, without missing a beat, every Sunday, for the sake of the ‘community’. Wow. She doesn’t believe in God, but still goes to Mass.
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VociMike
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A single cantor can chant the Propers, with the priest and people chanting their parts. I would hope that, given the teaching of the Church that music is a necessary or integral part of the liturgy, that traditionalist Catholics would do whatever was necessary to get that single cantor for Sunday Mass. Does any traditionalist Catholic disagree?
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VociMike
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So between mini-concert Masses, chanted Masses and silent Masses, which do you consider to be the ideal that traditionalist Catholics should strive for?
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onetimeposter
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No music Mass if my favourite.
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VociMike
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OK, but is it the ideal that the Church calls for, especially on Sunday?
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onetimeposter
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I don’t know, but it moves things along faster.
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LilyM
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I vote for a fourth option - I don’t mind a bit of chant (though it can be poorly done on occasion like anything) but I much prefer classical Masses (Mozart etc) and some of the old standard hymns (by which I don’t mean Eagles Wings or the like) and I think most ‘traditionalist’ Catholics probably would rather those than straight Gregorian.
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