Dont be a smarty pant’s I was refering to the site there and not anything else. God BLess!I’m not ignoring any posts. But that doesn’t mean I have read every post or that I will read every post. Life is short and I am old.
I read post 367 just now. What did you want to say about it?
Well, that article says that abortion, which is the direct intentional killing of the innocent unborn child, is morally evil and is not acceptable and cannot be justified and cannot be done. That’s what I’ve been saying.
Thank You Disciple96 I guess the church teaching is alot better then I thought,I’m just trying to understand
God Bless Nancy“Placed in jeopardy…”, eh? Well, another way to view this is no matter what else has happened, your parents probably did the best they were capable of. Does this mean that they did the best thing every time and under every circumstance? No. Just the best that they were capable of at that time. Now, chances are… if you were to do some research, you may find that being a Child of God through Baptism makes us heirs to the unimaginable Love of God - which is a pretty good deal in itself. Considering the alternative, it is truly great! Ah, but the plot thickens…
It seems like the only thing that, “…goes on and on…” is your adolescent rant. Surely you are chronologically older then 15 now … the challenge before you is show some psychological and emotional maturity. Honestly, if this is an area you consider, “…abuse of the most innocent…” you have not been too attentive to what has been going on in the world. So, you are complaining about not being properly taught? And, just how long are you going to whine about poor teachers - and get off of your soap box and do some studying on your own. You can view this as an opportunity to show those “…do gooders…” that you are capable of reading, researching, and formulating conclusions from evidence you have obtained from objective sources.
Well, it could be that getting some solid information on what the CC teaches about Purgatory would be helpful… and here are two excellent links on that very topic:
)“Plays fair…”? As a currently livid and still trapped (former?)15-year old are you into ‘games’ (playing?) If you were not aware of this - let me be the first to tell you: you are perfectly free to spread your wings and soar to whatever academic height you choose. Thoroughly and diligently research every topic the you think has not been well (or fairly) presented. Looking at every side, every concept, and every opinion - develop your own to your own satisfaction. There now: you’re free! Serioulsy, you have had this ability all along - no reason for continuing in your bitterness. At some point, you will have to take responsibility for how you are responding to your childhood. What are you going to do about it? Well… if you continue to be livid… you will continue to be a slave to your emotion of hatred. For your own sake, please be free.
Since Christ called him the Father of Lies - who are you going to believe?If you’re looking for help in understanding the Church’s teaching on life issues, here’s a good place to start. Fr. Pavone’s Priests for Life has a page with links to the full text of JPII’s Gospel of Life, a spiritual guide to it, and much much more.Thank You Disciple96 I guess the church teaching is alot better then I thought,I’m just trying to understand
Hope this helps a bit. Understanding the Church’s desire to promote a culture of life is very important and all of us Catholics need to know about, pray about it and do whatever we can to help bring it about.
Congratulations on your conversion. You have obviously made a lot of progress and are to be commended,
I just e-mailed this to myself so I can study, it is so hard when you are not usto the way other’s think and I sure have some people that think i’m not in this world. I was told this today and I did feel like going away and shutting off my computer and forgetting the whole thing. I have been so confused lately and surprised about alot of thing’s BY By NancyIf you’re looking for help in understanding the Church’s teaching on life issues, here’s a good place to start. Fr. Pavone’s Priests for Life has a page with links to the full text of JPII’s Gospel of Life, a spiritual guide to it, and much much more.
Every Catholic, every Christian of every type, and every person of good will should read and study and re-read and re-study this encyclical. It really is that important. Really. Here are a couple of paragraphs about how important the Vatican feels The Gospel of Life is.
Hope this helps a bit. Understanding the Church’s desire to promote a culture of life is very important and all of us Catholics need to know about, pray about it and do whatever we can to help bring it about.
Peace be with you, Nancy.
I get told I’m a nerd and I’m unrealistic all the time. Da noiv! Don’t give up, we all have to work to understand these things, and pray and receive the sacraments. And ask for Light.
Hi, Limerick,
From the sounds of things, you are still trapped in that 15-year old’s rather bitter and stilted world view. Truly it is time to move on. Maybe, being a Cradle Catholic myself, I can help. Let’s see now…
“Placed in jeopardy…”, eh? Well, another way to view this is no matter what else has happened, your parents probably did the best they were capable of. Does this mean that they did the best thing every time and under every circumstance? No. Just the best that they were capable of at that time. Now, chances are… if you were to do some research, you may find that being a Child of God through Baptism makes us heirs to the unimaginable Love of God - which is a pretty good deal in itself. Considering the alternative, it is truly great! Ah, but the plot thickens…
How does a drunk do the best he is capable of? How does a woman who lives in fear of the drunk do the best she is capable of? Yes, I was baptized and if that makes me an heir to the “unimaginable Love of God”, well, how long does one wait to experience this? Do we wait and wait and wait until life runs out and we haven’t time or strength left to wait?
It seems like the only thing that, “…goes on and on…” is your adolescent rant. Surely you are chronologically older then 15 now … the challenge before you is show some psychological and emotional maturity. Honestly, if this is an area you consider, “…abuse of the most innocent…” you have not been too attentive to what has been going on in the world. So, you are complaining about not being properly taught? And, just how long are you going to whine about poor teachers - and get off of your soap box and do some studying on your own. You can view this as an opportunity to show those “…do gooders…” that you are capable of reading, researching, and formulating conclusions from evidence you have obtained from objective sources.
**Yes, I am capable of reading, researching, studying. I have plenty of Catholic Approved Books in my home, including the Catechism and the Bible. The challenge before me is not to “show some psychological and emotional maturity”. It is, instead, to develop some kind of relationship with God that is not based on what tqualey so haughtily tosses down from the Pinnacle of Knowledge. And if by “objective sources” you mean right-leaning, conservative, Vatican-approved references, then you are the one not being objective.
I will continue to whine about poor catechesis as long as anyone will listen. In addition to that, I will not pursue any further independent study of Catholicism because in my heart of hearts I distrust the Church. You all say it hasn’t changed in 2,000 years. Bull. Doctrine has changed and lots of folks are still up in arms about Vatican II. Because I “rant” and you disagree with what I write, is this the sole criterion for your finding my writings psychologically and emotionally immature? From whom to you derive such authority?**
Your complaint about Gregory the Great (540 - 604) is truly intriguing … I really haven’t heard many folks complain about him since the last discussion on the calendar! But, it is Purgatory that has you …enflamed…?
newadvent.org/cathen/12575a.htm (Please note that Purgatory became of Doctrine of Faith under Pope Martin V at the Council of Florence in 1431 … or, about 827 years after Gregory the Great died!
catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0511sbs.asp
**I have read what the Church currently teaches about Purgatory. Tell me where the word “Purgatory” is found in the Bible. **
Seriously, if you spend some time studying the material presented on these two sites, you will have a better understanding of exactly what the CC is teaching. This does not mean you will agree with it - only, since I do not know exactly what it is you are objecting to speciic to Purgatory - this is probably the best way to proceed. We move from fact onward to the formulation of personal behavior.
“Plays fair…”? As a currently livid and still trapped (former?)15-year old are you into ‘games’ (playing?)
"If anything, your remarks inspire me to step up my game." Is this what you’re referring to? Without reference it’s hard to go back, but please remember that this is just a colloquialism. I don’t play games per se.
If you were not aware of this - let me be the first to tell you: you are perfectly free to spread your wings and soar to whatever academic height you choose.
This, unfortunately, is not true for me. I do the best I can with what I have.
Thoroughly and diligently research every topic the you think has not been well (or fairly) presented. Looking at every side, every concept, and every opinion - develop your own to your own satisfaction. There now: you’re free! Serioulsy, you have had this ability all along - no reason for continuing in your bitterness. At some point, you will have to take responsibility for how you are responding to your childhood.
**Aside from 45 years of psychotherapy, confession, prayer, discussions with one parent while she was still alive, comparative talks with my siblings . . . what would you suggest? **
What are you going to do about it?
Nothing more. I have my answer and it is not your answer.
Well… if you continue to be livid… you will continue to be a slave to your emotion of hatred.
Great. Good armor to see me through to the tragic end.
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Since Christ called him the Father of Lies - who are you going to believe?I went to your photos and they are nice, I tried to join and failed miserablyI get told I’m a nerd and I’m unrealistic all the time. Da noiv! Don’t give up, we all have to work to understand these things, and pray and receive the sacraments. And ask for Light.
Peace be with you! I’m headed out the door, coffee shop’s closing!
But I enjoyed your’s. NancyAbortion as a topic is not mentioned in scripture (although it was known - and disapproved of by Hippocrates in the 4th Century B.C. here is a link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath ). There are several scriptural references to condemning murder. The snag come in with a complex situation and can be addressed in a comples manner - yet the Bible was written for a much simpler time. For example, in the case of ectopic (or tubal) pregnancy the developing fetus never makes it to the womb to devleop - it begins its development in one of the tubes and quickly becomes stuck. If no action is taken the woman will suffer a very painful death and die (and that is what happened every time there was a ectopic pregnancy prior to the development of surgery and anesthesia to make this event only one death and not the death of both mother and child).
For one of the children to realize that their mother is about to do something stupid and sacrifice herself and instead sacrifice themselves. Life without a mother for 3 children is worse than lifelessness for one child.
Dear Limerick, I do want you to know first that it is very difficult to grasp right away the teachings of the church because they go way back and have not changed with the times, they are ancient, and as close to truth as is. there are alot of thing’s I’m not to happy about and do not quite understand but I am taking RCIA classes so I can get a better understanding. I tend to use my emotions first instead of what is what God want’s but I still want to be sure that it is what God realy wants. I am haveing some swaying going on in my mind and I dont like it, but I cannot give up now even though I want to.IT is just an unformillier area right now like playing a instrument, and making mistakes and learning, it takes time. You are Loved God be with You Limerick NancyPART II
For your own sake, please be free.
You’re responding as if you actually think I want to pursue Catholicism any further.
As I see it, there are only two possible research positions about Purgatory: it either exists or it doesn’t. The CC is guided by the Holy Spirit with the assurance of Christ that it CAN NOT TEACH ERROR. This same CC has studied the subject (check out the two links I provided) and made a decision. Unlike some physical research topics (e.g., water will always boil at 212F [100C] at sea level, no matter who lights the fire, the fuel that is used, the type of pot used, etc - water does not boil at 211 - ) there is no empirical evidence for Purgatory. So, either you believe what Christ said about the Holy Spirit guiding His Church or you don’t. And, if you don’t believe the CC, you really have to come up with a solid, rational response as to why not. The previous approach of the trapped 15-year old who is still livid is a bit weak…don’t you think?
I think you’re inexplicably disrespectful. And the trap of Catholicism is authentic for one born to Catholicism and choosing not to practice it. No, this is not the approach of a trapped 15-year-old. It is the last disgusted gasp of a 57-year-old who has had decades to examine this dilemma and has from the beginning been repulsed by the punitive foundation of the doctrine you hold dear.
A ‘shell game’ - at least as I understand the term - is based on deception, trickery and fraud (sometimes the con-man removes the pea so that no matter which shell is selected it never wins. The idea of God looking less and less loving is a distressing concept for me. So, just who do you think is looking more and more loving - the Devil? No doubt about it, the Devil would truly love to get his hands on your soul … but, his is a strange “love” that will more then ignite your flaming imagination for all eternity!
I don’t think any entity is looking more and more loving. I am increasingly becoming a disbeliever rather than a believer.
Get a grip. Research this topic and move on to wherever it is you really want to go.
God bless,
**“Get a grip.” That’s really classy. And then you follow that with “God bless”? This is precisely why I do not want to be, nor will I ever strive to be, a Catholic like you.
Limerick
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As a matter of fact, I did - thinking that you were on CAF because you actually wanted answers about the Catholic Faith that you obviously had such poor formation in.
If you are perplexed about disrespect, just look at your previous posts on this site. It appears to me that you are still trapped (so, here you are with a stunted 15-year old approach to difficulties and set-backs - and content merely to lash out at others who are moving forward. “Disgusted gasp”… appears to be a honest assessment - but, it does not have stay this way! You have the power to change if you open yourself up to the saving Grace of God. If you try this with sincerity rather then the cynical response you have been using, you will be surprised.
You know, actually, I thought was a bit corny … an unfortunate cliche at that!
Not necessarily one of my better moments in English literature … but, if you will excuse it - just go for the message and get beyond whining. Did that sound any better? It honestly sounds like you have had a rough go of it - but, you still, through spit and bluster, avoid the issue of just what are you going to do about it? More of the same (whining) is really not healthy.The only stupid thing about self sacrifice to preserve the life of one of your children is the comment that followed. As far as I know, people who walk the earth aren’t permitted to sacrifice others against their free will. Unless you believe children are little lambs in disguise?
I can show you where it is not justified!Can you show me from the Bible where abortion is justified?
God BlessI can show you where it is not justified!
Thou shalt not kill!
Blessings
Cinette
Wake up call for you. God does not want us to live our lives in the way WE WANT TO LIVE THEM. GOD WANTS US TO LIVE OUR LIVES THE WAY HE WANTS US TO LIVE THEM. WE ARE HERE ON EARTH BECAUSE OF HIS DESIGN NOT OURS!
PRECISELY!!! And we will be judged according to How well we loved and followed the HIS commandments!
It is not about judging. But neither it is about being mealy mouthed about a sin so grievous as murder of the most defenceless member of the human race.
Morality is not subjective. God is the arbiter of morality. Just because the moral choice is the most difficult thing to do, it is still the choice that we must make.
You, do not know that. If life is so hard being motherless every single orphaned child would have committed suicide by now!