Is Allah the same as YHWH?

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It seems the major argument would be that YHWH GOD gives us a choice while Allah does not. Islam means submission if I have heard right.
 
Alex_H said:
Hmm. How can they worship the true God if they don’t believe in the trinity?
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Jews worship the One True God, but have an incomplete understanding of His nature.

BTW, Jews say the same about Christians.

Pax Christi
 
They unnerstand ADONAI and ELOHIM are plural tho, am I correct in that assumption? !
 
Even_So said:
They unnerstand ADONAI and ELOHIM are plural tho, am I correct in that assumption? !
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I’m not sure about “adonai”, but the Jews consider the plural “elohim” to be the royal plural.

So, while to Christians such hints about God being a communion of Divine Persons in the Scriptures are types of the full revelation of God wrought by Himself in Christ, the Jews dismiss them as a literary style.

Pax Christi
 
JimmyG88 said:
Me too. It’s mad of people to judge a whole HUGE religion by the few lunatics they see on the TV. It’s like judging all Catholics to be like Hitler or our religion to be a nest of sex offenders. We all know THAT is untrue yet there are so many people who are swift to form an opinion on little evidence
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Why do you believe that people are judging based on some extremists? What some can’t have a good look at the persecution followers of Islam have done in other countries to Christians and non believers?

Also what law requires me or anybody else to like the Islamic religion and it’s practices?
 
And my doctor is a muslim and she’s very nice but that doesn’t mean I think her religion is.
 
smead2942 said:
Absolutely not.

Islam is a false religion made my a demonically-possessed psychopath. Muslims do not worship the same God. For that matter, neither do Jews-- they deny the Son and the Holy Ghost. God has revealed Himself as a triune God, and you can’t worship one of the three Divine Persons to the exclusion of the other two. It does not work that way.
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For Christians it doesn’t work that way. However, for Jews it does, doesn’t it? Obviously they do not believe that Jesus is the Son of God. I have always believed that Jews believe in the same God. Jews believe in the Old Testament and the same God that Christians believe in is in the Old Testament.

Christians also believe in the NT and obviously Jews do not believe in the NT.
 
Augustine said:
I’m not sure about “adonai”, but the Jews consider the plural “elohim” to be the royal plural.

So, while to Christians such hints about God being a communion of Divine Persons in the Scriptures are types of the full revelation of God wrought by Himself in Christ, the Jews dismiss them as a literary style.

Pax Christi
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Depending on where you look of course, ADONAI is plural. I wonder if that means they believe MESSIAH to be LORD? GOD’S SPIRIT is found from the very beginning in Genesis and also not so ironically found in Joel chap 2 in the last days prophecies, so maybe the Jews do know who GOD really is.

1 In the abeginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
 
Yes, this. 👍 I, too, have had the opportunity to work with and get to know a number of Muslim men (and to a lesser extent, women). Many were incredibly devout; really practicing the principles of their faith on a daily basis. It’s unfortunately that many in the US have a rather skewed idea of Islam predicated on the actions of a few extremists.

Matt
 
kyria said:
I agree that muslims claim to worship God, but their practices seem to defy that. I don’t see anything Godly in Islam so I am at a loss to understand why the Catholic Church would state that they adore God.
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Many in Islam are more pious than many self-professed Christians. Their frequent and daily prayers are also something many Christians need to bring into their lives (though not necessarily mandatory). I find that rather “godly,” even if I think they don’t have the fullness of Truth.

They are also firmly monotheist. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all recognize the basic, fundamental truth of monotheism. We’re not talking about patron gods of cities and nations anymore, but a being that truky transcends all that, that is so much more. That is why I’m comfortable saying they worship the same God. I do not believe they have true divine revelation. I think it’s been perverted. But that doesn’t mean the object of their worship is a demon or nothing.

Let’s consider the invincibly ignorant who has never been exposed to any of these faiths but through grace and reason discern and worship the creator. Without Christian revelation they would never determine that this God is a Trinity. There woild be much they coipd never learn. But I’d hardly say they were worshipping a different God, even if they erred in some areas of moral theology by bad logic.
 
Matthew125 said:
Yes, this. 👍 I, too, have had the opportunity to work with and get to know a number of Muslim men (and to a lesser extent, women). Many were incredibly devout; really practicing the principles of their faith on a daily basis. It’s unfortunately that many in the US have a rather skewed idea of Islam predicated on the actions of a few extremists.

Matt
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I just went and listened to a Jewish speaker who said the “few”, maybe 10%, are radical. Now if there are 300 million Muslims…
 
Even_So said:
I just went and listened to a Jewish speaker who said the “few”, maybe 10%, are radical. Now if there are 300 million Muslims…
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Sure, I can do the math as well as you, but that’s precisely the point. If one focuses on the 10%, we are ignoring the other 90% and what they believe and what they practice which was the original point in this thread. The Church’s position on Islam is pretty clear as cited numerous times up-thread. My point was that my contact with an extremely small part of that non-radical 90% showed me many Muslims who were very devout and practiced the principles of their faith (the actual principles, not the bastardized version the radicals follow) in their daily lives. While I may disagree with the particulars of their faith, I admire their devotion and commitment to prayer. These are things that I actively work on to enlarge my spiritual life.

Matt
 
400,000 Muslims came across our border. Let’s concentrate on the 360,000 that are peaceful. 40,000 can run amok along with the prisoners released.The speaker I saw said if you see the pics of refugees, they are mostly young men. So I concentrated on the news in the EU, and he was right. Granted I saw one boat and a very minute sample, but there just happened to be about 15 men and maybe 4 women and children combined on that boat, enough to believe him. Whatever happened to women and children first? Not in Islam.
 
  1. I really wish Catholic Answers would blank out the tetragrammaton. It’s blasphemy to use it in the context of a thread or internet forum. The only place it should ever be printed (thought not pronounced) is in a Christian or Jewish Bible, and even then it should generally not be printed.
2.Islam is best thought of as a heretical offshoot of Judaism, whomever(s) wrote sections of the Quran before Mohammed, Mohammed himself, and the later Caliphs that modified the Quran (despite Islamic denials to that effect) took bits from Judaism combined with Arabic superstitions about the Jinn and combined that with the Caliphate need to encourage jihad to expand to create the book the Muslims have now.

A good comparison would be the Book of Mormon as compared to the Bible.

So yes, theoretically Muslims are worshiping the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. However, pursuant to Matthew 7:16-17, in general the actions of the Wahhabists, Salafists and others show that they actually worship something ugly, dark and evil. So the actual answer is no, they worship something disguised as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
  1. At the end of the day this is a silly question: C.S. Lewis nailed it in his fiction comparing the Christian God to the Tisroc (thinly veiled portrayal of Allah) of the Arabic-like Calormen. Highly paraphrased: it doesn’t matter who you “say” you’re worshipping, if you’re going around and enslaving people in the “Name of God” (whether or not you are speaking Arabic and using the term Allah) you are actually serving Satan. Similarly, if you are going around and providing charity to the poor and aid to the sick in the name of Kali (insert pagan god name here or Allah) you are actually serving God, the true God.
Finally, with respect to the “Many in Islam are more pious” comment on the five daily prayers required of Muslims. I suggest you re-read Matthew 6:5.

Yours in Christ
 
Even_So said:
The original point is whether Allah and the GOD of Israel are the same. As i just posted, Allah forces you to submit. YHWH gives you a choice. Why does Islam need the Western Wall? Because they want to demean and destroy Israel every chance they get. Maybe i should say pick your god between the two.
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This is a very confusing reply. ‘Why does Islam need the Western Wall?’ The Wall is Jewish. It’s part of the Second Temple and sacred to Jews all around the world. It has nothing to do with what Islam needs. And yes, of course, the Arabs and Jews are in conflict. It’s been that way for a very long time, and God willing, we will see peace in the Middle East one day.
 
No. And why’s the poll closed? A couple no’s didnt get tallied up.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
This is a very confusing reply. ‘Why does Islam need the Western Wall?’ The Wall is Jewish. It’s part of the Second Temple and sacred to Jews all around the world. It has nothing to do with what Islam needs. And yes, of course, the Arabs and Jews are in conflict. It’s been that way for a very long time, and God willing, we will see peace in the Middle East one day.
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Your answer is more.confusing than mine. I think u answered the question. But so did i. I think :confused:? And Amen to seeing peace. But reality is, the majority of the world will suffer and die after it happens the first time. So pray you are part of the minority and come thru. You can tell us in Heaven. I want nothing to do with being here.
 
Trevor_Dewey said:
  1. I really wish Catholic Answers would blank out the tetragrammaton. It’s blasphemy to use it in the context of a thread or internet forum. The only place it should ever be printed (thought not pronounced) is in a Christian or Jewish Bible, and even then it should generally not be printed.
2.Islam is best thought of as a heretical offshoot of Judaism, whomever(s) wrote sections of the Quran before Mohammed, Mohammed himself, and the later Caliphs that modified the Quran (despite Islamic denials to that effect) took bits from Judaism combined with Arabic superstitions about the Jinn and combined that with the Caliphate need to encourage jihad to expand to create the book the Muslims have now.

A good comparison would be the Book of Mormon as compared to the Bible.

So yes, theoretically Muslims are worshiping the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. However, pursuant to Matthew 7:16-17, in general the actions of the Wahhabists, Salafists and others show that they actually worship something ugly, dark and evil. So the actual answer is no, they worship something disguised as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
  1. At the end of the day this is a silly question: C.S. Lewis nailed it in his fiction comparing the Christian God to the Tisroc (thinly veiled portrayal of Allah) of the Arabic-like Calormen. Highly paraphrased: it doesn’t matter who you “say” you’re worshipping, if you’re going around and enslaving people in the “Name of God” (whether or not you are speaking Arabic and using the term Allah) you are actually serving Satan. Similarly, if you are going around and providing charity to the poor and aid to the sick in the name of Kali (insert pagan god name here or Allah) you are actually serving God, the true God.
Finally, with respect to the “Many in Islam are more pious” comment on the five daily prayers required of Muslims. I suggest you re-read Matthew 6:5.

Yours in Christ
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www.eliyah.com/tetragrm.html is four Hebrew letters (Yod, He, Waw and He) called the “Tetragrammaton”.
So what is your answer? You can tap dance around it all you like and use big words to show your intelligence, a la Hillary, but please answer the question. Should I rephrase it to say is the god of Islam the same as the GOD of Jacob? Or maybe the GOD of Abraham the same as the GOD of Jacob? Which of course is yes. But Islam and your tetragram? If you are gay serving GOD, do you think you are getting in? Maybe I should post that… My new found point is we can all claim we serve the LORD, but do we really?
 
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