Is America Masonic?

[Margaret_Ann]

For your enjoyment: Family relationship of George W. Bush and Queen Elizabeth II via Wolstone Childe

 

[Margaret_Ann]

I wonder if it occurred to anyone, way back then, to appeal to Pope Pius VI, to adjudicate the situation. If the king and the colonists had all been Catholics — as they should have been — that might have been a plan. Better than war.

Don’t forget Pope Clement XIV (1769-1774)!

 

[catholic03]

A British North America wouldn’t be all that much different from what we are used to, except that we’d all be subjects of the Crown and HM would be on our pocket change. Much alternative history exists along these lines.

That would be great.

Nonetheless, although I am a proud monarchist, I think that the USA is better off in its current state.

I just hope that New Zealand, Australia and Canada don’t reject the Monarch of the United Kingdom.

Queen Elizabeth II has been the Queen of my country since 1952.

 

[catholic03]

I also don’t think that if we’d continued to be a British colony or even a commonwealth, we would have been welcoming the vast numbers of European immigrants that we did. Some, maybe, but not the same amount. And this would have influenced our country in a different direction.

I think that’s right.

Most New Zealanders, including me, are descendants of British and Irish immigrants.

Italians, Germans, Poles, Russians etc never immigrated here or to other British Colonies en masse.

Except, to an extent, to parts of Canada.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

HomeschoolDad:

I wonder if it occurred to anyone, way back then, to appeal to Pope Pius VI, to adjudicate the situation. If the king and the colonists had all been Catholics — as they should have been — that might have been a plan. Better than war.

Don’t forget Pope Clement XIV (1769-1774)!

Yes, my dates were off. I thought Pius VI was Pope throughout the entire relevant period.

I have always “gotten the vibe” that when the United States first came into being, the Church of Rome didn’t know quite what to make of it — “they’re secularist, but they’re religious at the same time, they’re revolutionaries in a manner of speaking, but they’re not lopping off heads, toppling monarchs, and enthroning reason like the French are doing, as revolutionaries go, they’re pretty chill, but on top of all this, they’re asserting freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and so on — we don’t have a plan to deal with a country like this!”. (Obviously they didn’t express their thoughts in 21st-century English, nor would they have used the word “chill”, but you get my point.)

HomeschoolDad:

A British North America wouldn’t be all that much different from what we are used to, except that we’d all be subjects of the Crown and HM would be on our pocket change. Much alternative history exists along these lines.

That would be great.

Nonetheless, although I am a proud monarchist, I think that the USA is better off in its current state.

I just hope that New Zealand, Australia and Canada don’t reject the Monarch of the United Kingdom.

Queen Elizabeth II has been the Queen of my country since 1952.

Yes, from one monarchist to another, yes, it surely would be great. I hope all of you keep your monarchies. As a thankfully proud Anglo-American, I teach my son in homeschool that he can take great pride in our British heritage — will he ever get that in any other American school? — how our empire extended across the world, how we created “little Britains” (some of them are not so little anymore!) everywhere we went, and to this day, much of the world speaks our language and reflects our heritage. Most countries can’t say that.

God save the Queen!

(And yes, I have considered moving to Canada, for this reason and many others. But I can’t just “up and move”, my age would make the points system count against me, and there is the little matter of the Second Amendment — even a busted clock is right twice a day!)

 

[catholic03]

Yes, from one monarchist to another, yes, it surely would be great. I hope all of you keep your monarchies.

Well, my Prime Minister here in New Zealand wants a Republic, so probably does the Prime Minister of Canada. Not good.

New Zealand shows that we can be under the authority of the Queen whilst retaining our own culture.

As a second generation New Zealander of English descent, having Her Majesty as the head of state allows me to be patriotic towards my roots and my country.

God save the Queen! Long may she reign.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

New Zealand shows that we can be under the authority of the Queen whilst retaining our own culture.

New Zealand also shows that fine old English words such as “whilst” can and should be used, and used often :new_zealand:

I have noted your country’s delightful speech in watching news reports, and how it is a whole different critter from Australian English.

 

[catholic03]

I have noted your country’s delightful speech in watching news reports, and how it is a whole different critter from Australian English.

It is. Remember that some people from abroad actually think we’re a state of Australia.

In England, a lot of people can’t tell the difference between an Australian, New Zealand, and South African accent.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

HomeschoolDad:

I have noted your country’s delightful speech in watching news reports, and how it is a whole different critter from Australian English.

It is. Remember that some people from abroad actually think we’re a state of Australia.

Those are the people who can actually read a map or a globe. Many Americans have no earthly idea of where anyplace is, even within their own country. You could tell them that New Zealand borders France, and they’d believe it. If they’ve heard of Lorde, they might have some concept of where New Zealand is. Geography is not an American strong suit.

 

[childinthefaith]

I wouldn’t go that far — I’m sure the sick kids in the Shriners’ Hospitals think Masons are pretty terrific people

Yep. And I recently had a loooong talk with my KofC dude in. Charge of the rth degree area for 2 states, protesting us having a golf outing with Shriners. His grandchild was born without a limb and a Shriner hospital helped, therefore although we dont actually support the Shriners who are, by default, .masons, we will continue, in my area, to do charity golf outings with Shriners, because our part of charitable donations remain separate…I’d requested we completely stop associating in any way. I did not achieve the desired results, but I made enough noise that ppl are aware…

 

[HomeschoolDad]

HomeschoolDad:

I wouldn’t go that far — I’m sure the sick kids in the Shriners’ Hospitals think Masons are pretty terrific people

Yep. And I recently had a loooong talk with my KofC dude in. Charge of the rth degree area for 2 states, protesting us having a golf outing with Shriners. His grandchild was born without a limb and a Shriner hospital helped, therefore although we dont actually support the Shriners who are, by default, .masons, we will continue, in my area, to do charity golf outings with Shriners, because our part of charitable donations remain separate…I’d requested we completely stop associating in any way. I did not achieve the desired results, but I made enough noise that ppl are aware…

Strictly speaking, the Shriners are not Masonic. You have to be a Mason to be a Shriner, but it is my understanding that the two entities are separate. Actually, their gentle lampooning of Islam and Arabic culture should be a bit problematical in today’s politically correct culture, I’d imagine, but I haven’t heard anyone complaining. I am entirely good with the Shriners and I wish them well. I would have nothing against a modest donation for the hospitals if they were raising money (bucket collections at intersections, etc.).