Is America ripe for a Mormon president?

[tequilamac]

Careful…lets not mock the LDS for their belief in baptising the dead non-LDS folks, like Hitler …

Whose mocking? Just asking. as a good Mormon, romney would want to baptise Hussein as quickly as possible. The best thing that ever happened to Hussein might be his execution. From what I understand, he is now entitled to baptism by proxy in LDS and I also understand he could potentially get his own planet. Just think of it. He was seeking only to control Iraq and now he gets his own planet. A whole planet. Filled with other members of his very borgia like family. I would call that true justice. Could you imagine living eternally with membersof Hussein’s own family? Constant murder attempts that never succeed? God love the Mormons, they really know how to stick it to a guy. Come to think of it, having a mormon for a president might be interesting indeed.

 

[mary_bobo]

I think being Catholic had everything to do with Kennedy being assassinated. Without the Catholicism of the Kennedy’s, they would never have run for office probably, much less on a democratic ticket. Especially in Bobby’s case. Bobby was one incredibly brave and ethical guy. And very dead.
I think religion has much to do with whether a guy is president or not and his ultimate end.
I doubt much that being a Quaker had anything to do with Nixon’s watergate activities, any more than being a Quaker had anything to do with his activities in Vietnam. In fact, I doubt being a Quaker had much to do with Nixon at all.
I don’t think we can say that about a Mormon president. Truly. Mormonism is an absolute lifestyle. I think it will make a big difference to how he runs his presidency. Just as Bush’s seat of the pants bible roulette effects his seat of the pants directions.
I wonder if Romney has had Hussein baptised yet? After all, Hussein has been dead now for more than twenty four hours.

 

[mary_bobo]

I think being Catholic had everything to do with Kennedy being assassinated. Without the Catholicism of the Kennedy’s, they would never have run for office probably, much less on a democratic ticket. Especially in Bobby’s case. Bobby was one incredibly brave and ethical guy. And very dead.
I think religion has much to do with whether a guy is president or not and his ultimate end.
I doubt much that being a Quaker had anything to do with Nixon’s watergate activities, any more than being a Quaker had anything to do with his activities in Vietnam. In fact, I doubt being a Quaker had much to do with Nixon at all.
I don’t think we can say that about a Mormon president. Truly. Mormonism is an absolute lifestyle. I think it will make a big difference to how he runs his presidency. Just as Bush’s seat of the pants bible roulette effects his seat of the pants directions.
I wonder if Romney has had Hussein baptised yet? After all, Hussein has been dead now for more than twenty four hours.

With all respect for your opinion, could I point out that the Kennedy brothers were involved in very ardent inquiry on the mob. There was much speculation that the connection with this inquiry may have lead to the assassination of at least the president and perhaps Sen. Kennedy. And Amb. Joe Kennedy worked for many years to make one of his sons president. It was supposed to be Joe Kennedy, Jr., but he was killed in WW2. I don’t think religion had anything to do with the killings. Probably you are not old enough to remember that period of history.

 

[tequilamac]

With all respect for your opinion, could I point out that the Kennedy brothers were involved in very ardent inquiry on the mob. There was much speculation that the connection with this inquiry may have lead to the assassination of at least the president and perhaps Sen. Kennedy. And Amb. Joe Kennedy worked for many years to make one of his sons president. It was supposed to be Joe Kennedy, Jr., but he was killed in WW2. I don’t think religion had anything to do with the killings. Probably you are not old enough to remember that period of history.

Nonsense. I was old enough to watch it live, my dear. Anyone who claims that the Kennedy’s Catholicism had nothing to do with their presidency is not old enough to remember when a Catholic could not be president. I am.

 

[gilliam]

I think being Catholic had everything to do with Kennedy being assassinated. Without the Catholicism of the Kennedy’s, they would never have run for office probably, much less on a democratic ticket. Especially in Bobby’s case. Bobby was one incredibly brave and ethical guy.

Joe senior wanted one of his kids to be president. As far as being a Republican, Joe would spit on his grave. I don’t think religion entered into the equation at all.

 

[tequilamac]

Joe senior wanted one of his kids to be president. As far as being a Republican, Joe would spit on his grave. I don’t think religion entered into the equation at all.

You are absolutely old enough to remember how iffy it was and quite a miracle that Kennedy ran at all. Catholics did not become President back then and he did. religion was very, very much a part of it and it was absolutely a milestone for this country when they overcame their prejudices and elected an obviously and flagrantly Catholic president. It was predicted everywhere that “the Pope” woudl ruin this country.

 

[gilliam]

You are absolutely old enough to remember how iffy it was and quite a miracle that Kennedy ran at all. Catholics did not become President back then and he did.

That is true. President was a WASP club back then.

religion was very, very much a part of it and it was absolutely a milestone for this country when they overcame their prejudices and elected an obviously and flagrantly Catholic president. It was predicted everywhere that “the Pope” woudl ruin this country.

I was simply talking about Joe, Sr’s view. He was the one pushing his sons. Had they all be Protestant (of course he would have had to be too), then nothing would have been different. He still would have been pushing his sons.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

No. The Protestant/Fundamentalist/Evangelical right will never, as a whole, go for it. They’re a significant portion of the conservative view in this country. Merely fiscal conservatives MIGHT not care, but the former WOULD. A LIBERAL Mormon (yes, Virginia, the senior senator from Nevada) might make it in in a Democratic sweep (but no, Virginia, not the senior senator from Nevada), but how many liberal Mormons can any of you count (other than the senior senator from Nevada)?

I could not bring myself to vote for a Mormon for president.

 

[tequilamac]

That is true. President was a WASP club back then.

I was simply talking about Joe, Sr’s view. He was the one pushing his sons. Had they all be Protestant (of course he would have had to be too), then nothing would have been different. He still would have been pushing his sons.

Again I disagree. Joe was an old school Irish Catholic with a self esteem issue that all Irish Catholics carried. He pushed his kids to the presidency for the same reason Irish parents all over the US pushed their kids into the fire department and the police department and into politics. We had a self esteem issue back then and were still laboring under many of the injuries of the original Four Corners gangs and the No Nothings. Obviously Joe inherited this self esteem issue and resentment of the ongoing stereotypes and he did what any good Irish Catholic parent did in the 30’s and 40’s. Became as good as the WASPS by surpassing the WASPS. such an Irish Catholic thing.
I’m afraid there is no way to seperate their Catholicism from the Kennedy actions back then, no way. But to really, really know that, one would have been immersed in that Irish catholic eastern seaboard climate. Irish Catholics were still nothing but white trash Gilliam when Joe was growing up. Irish Catholics DID have to surpass everyone to be as good as.

 

[jman507]

A certain portion of one’s philosphy and ideology is going to be beaten out of them to gain a nomination, more to gain the presidency, and yet more to get anything done as president. Thats politics in a democracy, atleast it tends to check the craziest ideas of the day. But in this age with it’s love of diversity, compromise and collaboration is an advantage and disadvantage.

A mormon president? If he or she is going to the presidency with the intention of pushing through mormon ideas, I doubt it. If he or she is going to the presidency having a background of a mormon, but is going to have a mix between a philosphy of the best way forward and what the people feel is the best way, I suppose that could happen.

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

i don’t think it’s a good idea to vote for a mormon because they do not take truth seriously. how could he be a good president if he believes that the natives of north america are decendents of the jews. there is so much scientific and historical evidence against mormonism that anyone who follows it is either completely ignorant or doesn’t take truth seriously. either way they are not fit to be president.

we would be the laughing stock of the world if we are stupid enough to elect a mormon president.

 

[Lonevoice]

I used to live in Phoenix and my neighborhood was full of Mormons. They were great people. They were moral, kind and a pleasure to be around. As a Christian, of course I disagree with their theology.

The philosophy that informs Romney’s worldview is more troubling than the philosophy that informs Obama’s?

I agree!!!

I’ve worked and socialised with many of the Mormans in our company, and I feel that(the terrible theology aside) they’re great folks, If more people(including us Catholics ) LIVED our faith and values the way that the Mormans live theirs, the world would be a much better place.

JMHO

 

[OldAgeGuru]

Again I disagree. Joe was an old school Irish Catholic with a self esteem issue that all Irish Catholics carried. He pushed his kids to the presidency for the same reason Irish parents all over the US pushed their kids into the fire department and the police department and into politics. We had a self esteem issue back then and were still laboring under many of the injuries of the original Four Corners gangs and the No Nothings. Obviously Joe inherited this self esteem issue and resentment of the ongoing stereotypes and he did what any good Irish Catholic parent did in the 30’s and 40’s. Became as good as the WASPS by surpassing the WASPS. such an Irish Catholic thing.
I’m afraid there is no way to seperate their Catholicism from the Kennedy actions back then, no way. But to really, really know that, one would have been immersed in that Irish catholic eastern seaboard climate. Irish Catholics were still nothing but white trash Gilliam when Joe was growing up. Irish Catholics DID have to surpass everyone to be as good as.

Lace Curtain Irish REPRESENT!

 

[apricot_yogurt]

Does it matter, as soon as someone becomes Pres/Prime Minister- whatever- the power goes to their head, and they bring in all sorts of looney laws.

 

[Cactus]

I know many Mormons aho are decent, hard-working people. Of course, I disagree with their theology, but I disagree with the theology of many of our leaders. Their kids that I teach are respectful, honest and fun-loving. Also, consider this- Steve Young was a GREAT quarterback for the 49ers.

 

[tequilamac]

i don’t think it’s a good idea to vote for a mormon because they do not take truth seriously. how could he be a good president if he believes that the natives of north america are decendents of the jews. there is so much scientific and historical evidence against mormonism that anyone who follows it is either completely ignorant or doesn’t take truth seriously. either way they are not fit to be president.

we would be the laughing stock of the world if we are stupid enough to elect a mormon president.

You know Dee Dee, you have a point. But then following your logic, we would never be able to elect anyone who was not a catholic, for we would have to say no one else takes truth seriously enough to believe in it. Correct? I mean if you take the tack that the Church possesses the fullness of truth, then we have to elect only catholics if we want a truth abiding president.
Actually, I’m not sure it matters anymore who we elect as long as they give the appearance that someone is running this looney bin of a country.

 

[Dee_Dee_King]

You know Dee Dee, you have a point. But then following your logic, we would never be able to elect anyone who was not a catholic, for we would have to say no one else takes truth seriously enough to believe in it. Correct?

i mean that insofar that that person is removed from catholicism. truth can’t contradict truth.

but protestants are not even in the same ball park as mormans, and neither are jews or muslims. first off, mormons aren’t christian nor are they monotheistic.

besides, much of what organized religions are founded on is outside of scientific and historical knowledge. but it is much easier to disprove mormonism for the fact it has existed less than 180 years ago in this country. we have much more evidence showing this guy was a fraud.

i would feel the same way if a wiccan or an animist were running for president.

 

[rascal_one]

According to the Main Stream Media - its perfectly wonderful for Obama to be snorting cocaine when he was younger and other great drugs , but Romney’s Morman religion is just going TOO FAR! The media is amazing.

 

[mary_bobo]

Nonsense. I was old enough to watch it live, my dear. Anyone who claims that the Kennedy’s Catholicism had nothing to do with their presidency is not old enough to remember when a Catholic could not be president. I am.

Please reread what I said. I did not say that Catholicism had anything to do with Kennedy’s presidency one way or the other. I was commenting on the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers. Sorry if I did not script in a way that was more understanding, my dear.

 

[rlg94086]

Okay, I am resurrecting this thread.

Hugh Hewitt was on Michael Medved’s show today talking about Rommey and Hugh’s new book - *A Mormon in the White House? *He made some comments about his discussion of the subject with Archbishop Chaput of the Denver Archdiocese. I had the pleasure of being part of that dicocese, and anyone familiar with Chaput’s writing probably recognizes him as a very good voice for the Catholic Church.

From the book (pg 234):

Finally I came to the question of the intellectual reliability of anyone who believed such astounding propositions as are embedded in LDS doctrine. Is Mormon belief so iconoclastic that sincere belief in it calls into question a believer’s intellectual strengths?

“Most religions have strage-looking elements when seen from the outside,” Archbishop Chaput responded. “From the inside, they may be experienced quite differently. If I believed the content of LDS faith, I’d be a Mormon. I don’t, and I’m not. But in my experience, most of the LDS leaders I’ve met have been intelligent, sophisticated, effective persons. If they’re hobbled in any way by their beliefs, they’re extraordinarily good at hiding it.”

Hugh said on the radio show that Chaput gave an example of the BVM appearing in Guadalupe and Lourdes, compared with the LDS beliefs that John the Baptist visited Joseph Smith in North America. Obviously, we don’t believe the Baptist appeared to Joseph Smith, but many people don’t believe that Our Blessed Mother appeared to anyone. Should non-Catholics disqualify a Catholic because they disagree with such miracles? That is the equivalent to what people are doing when they disqualify an LDS member based on their faith.