Is arizona law right?

[lelhajj]

A legal hispanic woman from pima county, arizona was harassed and attacked by a group of women, such women then called the police and police interrogated her.
Can you tell me after reading such incident if this law is still correct.

 

[aspawloski4th]

You betcha!

 

[dusza]

A legal hispanic woman from pima county, arizona was harassed and attacked by a group of women, such women then called the police and police interrogated her.
Can you tell me after reading such incident if this law is still correct.

This law isn’t in effect yet. What are you talking about?! References, links, etc.
Meanwhile, here’s something real to be sympathetic about: nationalterroralert.com/updates/2009/02/13/kidnapping-capital-of-the-usa-phoenix-arizona/

 

[lelhajj]

well, i thought it was not in effect, but the facts shows the opposite. If you have doubts, check the l million march web site and you will find about it.

 

[dusza]

well, i thought it was not in effect, but the facts shows the opposite. If you have doubts, check the l million march web site and you will find about it.

Thanks, that answered my questions.

 

[lelhajj]

here is the address to the l million march:

facebook.com/group.php?gid=113236852041063&v=wall

 

[St_Francis]

A legal hispanic woman from pima county, arizona was harassed and attacked by a group of women, such women then called the police and police interrogated her.
Can you tell me after reading such incident if this law is still correct.

Can you link to an article about this incident?

Secondly, if police are called to an incident, they indeed *question *everyone who was there, even those who weren’t involved.

Thirdly, we do not know why the woman was harassed and attacked by the group of women, nor do we know whether this was as a result of the law’s being passed.

So, the best way to get things like this taken seriously is to 1. provide a source, and 2. provide the type of information which would bolster your point. For all we can tell from what you wrote, the one woman stole another woman’s boyfriend and the other woman and her friends went out to “get” the woman…

 

[markbrumbaugh]

A legal hispanic woman from pima county, arizona was harassed and attacked by a group of women, such women then called the police and police interrogated her.
Can you tell me after reading such incident if this law is still correct.

I don’t see the connection between the law which just reiterates Federal law and harassment, which is wrong. However, the police, in such instance would have to ask the woman for her papers.

I’ve worked overseas in dozens of countries from time to time and have to submit my papers to even get a room in a hotel. Didn’t bother me a bit.

The law is absolutely correct. Harrassment is always wrong.

 

[chaunceygardner]

The law is not right, not constitutional, not American and not Christian. In a way, very anti-Catholic too, since the people targeted are almost all Catholic, and probably on average more devout Catholics than their “American cousins”.

I like that Archbishop Dolan (New York) published an article calling the law “unbiblical, inhumane, and un-American”. And I like that Cardinal Mahony of Los Angeles publicly denounced it as well, calling it “retrogressive, mean-spirited, and useless”.

American Catholicism and immigration are very intertwined, and in our nation’s history we have seen these attacks several times, which have targeted “poor” immigrant Catholics to a great extent. It is amazing that the attitudes I thought had finally disappeared decades ago have resurfaced with a vengeance. But it is good to see the American Catholic Church represented by such eminent figures as Dolan and Mahony take the lead in fighting it.

Catholics should be proud of these men and many others like them in representing the Church and living the Gospel in attacking hate, fear and bigotry.

 

[JanetF]

The law in Arizona is targeted toward stopping ILLEGAL immigration, not all immigration. The church doesn’t support ILLEGAL immigration.

And, the law in Arizona doesn’t do anything that the Federal government doesn’t already TRY to do, it just gives local authorities the ability to enforce the law.

I wouldn’t think that the Catholic Church would support the idea of anyone coming into a country and breaking laws, draining the country’s resources, without limitations.

As a descendent of German Catholic immigrants, I am supportive of the law newly enacted in Arizona.

 

[Rence]

**I don’t see the connection between the law which just reiterates Federal law **and harassment, which is wrong. However, the police, in such instance would have to ask the woman for her papers.

I’ve worked overseas in dozens of countries from time to time and have to submit my papers to even get a room in a hotel. Didn’t bother me a bit.

The law is absolutely correct. Harrassment is always wrong.

I don’t see the connection either but then, I don’t understand why Arizona has to pass a law in order to enforce the law?

 

[josephdaniel29]

A legal hispanic woman from pima county, arizona was harassed and attacked by a group of women, such women then called the police and police interrogated her.
Can you tell me after reading such incident if this law is still correct.

Of course it’s right. Resident aliens are already required by federal law to carry proof that they are legal. Everyone regardless of race is required to carry some form of ID and if they are stopped by police for legal reasons they can be required to present that ID.

Unless you are going to make the case that police can never ask for someone’s ID then you have no basis to argue against the AZ law.

Yours in Christ
Joe

 

[josephdaniel29]

I don’t see the connection either but then, I don’t understand why Arizona has to pass a law in order to enforce the law?

Because the federal authorities are either unwilling or incapable of enforcing the laws themselves (unless of course we’re talking about the tax code).

Yours in Christ
Joe

 

[lelhajj]

Can you link to an article about this incident?

Secondly, if police are called to an incident, they indeed *question *everyone who was there, even those who weren’t involved.

Thirdly, we do not know why the woman was harassed and attacked by the group of women, nor do we know whether this was as a result of the law’s being passed.

So, the best way to get things like this taken seriously is to 1. provide a source, and 2. provide the type of information which would bolster your point. For all we can tell from what you wrote, the one woman stole another woman’s boyfriend and the other woman and her friends went out to “get” the woman…

1. this was a case that called my attention in that web site. There is no article. This was written under the discussions thread on that page. You can check it out by entering to the link that i wrote and go to discussions, the thread is there.
2. Police were called AFTER or DURING the attack. This was a hate crime in my opinion. You don’t come and start attacking me just because i am hispanic, or irish or any other race.
3. The third point is connected to the 2o. point above and i believe and i thought that this will happen, even before it happened, that is the reason why i law must be carefully and justly be written in order not to create such kind of cases where groups are making excuses to harass and attack others. I believe we have lived more or less at peace within in each but this law is having bad outcomes, civil unrest, racial profiling, hate crimes, etc.

 

[lelhajj]

I don’t see the connection between the law which just reiterates Federal law and harassment, which is wrong. However, the police, in such instance would have to ask the woman for her papers.

I’ve worked overseas in dozens of countries from time to time and have to submit my papers to even get a room in a hotel. Didn’t bother me a bit.

The law is absolutely correct. Harrassment is always wrong.

You said you have worked overseas, in other words: you were a foreigner, and yes, you have to show your papers wherever they asked for it.
Harrassment and racial profiling is wrong, specially here in the states where you have to mingle since kindergarden till university with a multicultural population. Everywhere we go, we are interacting with one another, different races but acting with respect and tolerance also. I guess that is the beauty of the usa, but now with this law it seems that everybody is against everybody.

 

[St_Francis]

here is the address to the l million march:

facebook.com/group.php?gid=113236852041063&v=wall

1. this was a case that called my attention in that web site. There is no article. This was written under the discussions thread on that page. You can check it out by entering to the link that i wrote and go to discussions, the thread is there.

I seem to be unable to access the older posts in the discussion, so I still can’t find it.

1. Police were called AFTER or DURING the attack. This was a hate crime in my opinion. You don’t come and start attacking me just because i am hispanic, or irish or any other race.

Police are usually called after or during an attack. When else would they be called?

And the fact that the police were called does not make it a hate crime.

And we still do not know anything about the details of the “attack.”

1. The third point is connected to the 2o. point above and i believe and i thought that this will happen, even before it happened, that is the reason why i law must be carefully and justly be written in order not to create such kind of cases where groups are making excuses to harass and attack others. I believe we have lived more or less at peace within in each but this law is having bad outcomes, civil unrest, racial profiling, hate crimes, etc.

Since we still have no details about the attack, or what prompted it, it is very hard to evaluate your statements here.

 

[lelhajj]

This law isn’t in effect yet. What are you talking about?! References, links, etc.
Meanwhile, here’s something real to be sympathetic about: nationalterroralert.com/updates/2009/02/13/kidnapping-capital-of-the-usa-phoenix-arizona/

Drug related crimes due to that the addicted do not pay their debts is everywhere, not only in the usa.
In order to stop this, we must see the reason behind: who demands the drugs: americans have been demanding the drugs, otherwise it would not be traffic of them. This is not something new, this has been around for such a long time, maybe since the 60’s or 70’s. During those years, Mexico was not a country where his citizens where using or demanding drugs. The drugs started being demanded by americans drug addicts which created a drug ring between colombia, mexico and the usa and on the way they have created and damage what is mexico today, a total chaos worse than the usa. Who started all this? what was the reason of all this? in my opinion it was the americans drug addicts. If we do not control the addiction of such people how are we going to stop drug traffic?

 

[lelhajj]

Of course it’s right. Resident aliens are already required by federal law to carry proof that they are legal. Everyone regardless of race is required to carry some form of ID and if they are stopped by police for legal reasons they can be required to present that ID.

Unless you are going to make the case that police can never ask for someone’s ID then you have no basis to argue against the AZ law.

Yours in Christ
Joe

You already answered my question. RESIDENT ALIENS. Not american citizens.
If that is the case, am i supposed to be stopped and interrogated everytime i step out of the house just because i am or look hispanic? I am not illegal, but, i would not like to be treated like an illegal.

 

[lelhajj]

The law in Arizona is targeted toward stopping ILLEGAL immigration, not all immigration. The church doesn’t support ILLEGAL immigration.

And, the law in Arizona doesn’t do anything that the Federal government doesn’t already TRY to do, it just gives local authorities the ability to enforce the law.

I wouldn’t think that the Catholic Church would support the idea of anyone coming into a country and breaking laws, draining the country’s resources, without limitations.

As a descendent of German Catholic immigrants, I am supportive of the law newly enacted in Arizona.

The church does not support illegal immigration, but, it does support to have mercy on the poor whoever that person might be. Church does not look at races, Jesus looks at people. This law has created racial profiling, i hope your race would not be attacked some point in history, i certainly do not wish that, and i certainly i do not wish that for me and my children.

 

[lelhajj]

St. Francis, did you click on the link? after clickin on the link and opening to the page: l million march, there is on the wall, in blue letters different titles: one of this is Discussions. You click on Discussions and once the discussions page open, you look for the thread: Attacked and harrassed in pima country or harrassed and attacked in pima county, it is on the first page of the discussion page.
i hope i made myself clear about how to get to that story.
Read it and then, write your opinion here.