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vern_humphrey
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Please explain how Original Intent somehow makes the unborn child NOT human?
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serendipity
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If a drunk runs over the child the chruch does not consider it a moral sin, because the decision to drive and leave the scene was made when he was not able to act with full consent of his will to being drunk. Great analogy there!
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vern_humphrey
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Wrong – in the scenario I painted, the drunk realizes that he will be in trouble if he stays around. He knows right from wrong, and is capable of assessing the situation and making a decision.
Further, no one can honestly say that he doesn’t know that drunk driving is criminal and dangerous.
And finally, the law considers a hit-and-run a serious felony – regardless of how drunk the driver is.
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katherine2
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vern humphrey:
I think it was another poster here who pointed out that it is modern medical technology that has brought us to understand the personhood of the unborn.
Well, abortion was not illegal at the time of the Constitution and the law did not recognize the unborn as persons in a vareity of ways.
I think it was another poster here who pointed out that it is modern medical technology that has brought us to understand the personhood of the unborn.
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vern_humphrey
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And next, no doubt, you’ll be expecting us to believe that the Catholic Church didn’t oppose abortion until 1870 (or some such date.)
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Gabriel_Gale
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How do you know this? Are you saying that there were no states or local laws against abortion?
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vern_humphrey
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Gabriel Gale:
She doesn’t need proof – it’s an article of faith among the pro-abortion crowd. Just like the claim that “The Catholic Church never condemned abortion before 1870” (or some such date.)
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katherine2
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Gabriel Gale:
I am saying that and if you have contrary evidence, I would be interested in learning of it.
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vern_humphrey
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Katherine, dear, you are the one making the original assertion. The burden of proof is on YOU.
Allow me to help you – the English Common Law was adopted by the Congress even before the Constitution, and remains the basis for much American law to this day.
Historically, in Anglo-American law, abortion had been criminalized, at least from the point of “quickening” (c.15-18 weeks) and often severely punished. Liberalization of abortion laws in both countries began to occur in the later 1960’s.
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Henry Bracton, (1216-1272) “the Father of Common Law,” apparently regarded abortion (at least after 5 or six weeks) as homicide and it seems that at early Common Law abortion was a felony, and, therefore, a hanging offense. Later commentators, Coke and Blackstone, held expressly that abortion after quickening was not the crime of murder, but a separate crime (a “grave misprision”).
You can find more at members.aol.com/abtrbng/abortl.htmIn fact, it’s so easy to find information refuting your argument that I wonder why you bothered to make the claim.
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Leo44
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The day is comming for each one of us when we will stand before THE Judge and give an account of all our “thoughts, words and deeds”, I wonder how far convolted arguments and legalisms will get us then. My guess it will get us FAR-FAR-FAR away from HIM.
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vern_humphrey
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I have never understood how or why one would claim to be Catholic, and then go to such great lengths to avoid following the teachings of the Church.
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GoodKnight1443
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Well, you know choice is cool. I don’t think I would ever kill someone but it’s okay for someone else to do it if it’s their choice. I guess even though I don’t steal, it’s okay for someone else to do it if they think it’s okay as long as it doesn’t affect me.
AHHHHHHHHHHH WAKE UP! Abortion is trluy a sinful, selfish and cruel act. The abortion debate was politicized by the left as another anti-catholic smear. If women and especially minority women would wake up and realize that The “mother” of planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger was a racist, anti-catholic they would realize how badly they have been deceived.
AHHHHHHHHHHH WAKE UP! Abortion is trluy a sinful, selfish and cruel act. The abortion debate was politicized by the left as another anti-catholic smear. If women and especially minority women would wake up and realize that The “mother” of planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger was a racist, anti-catholic they would realize how badly they have been deceived.
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vern_humphrey
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I don’t understand how Catholics can delude themselves into thinking abortion is anything other than what it is – the grisly, premeditated serial killing of the most innocent.
I think much of the blame must fall on the bishops, who have simply failed to teach and to firmly uphold Catholic morality.
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