Is being Sexologist okay?

[frobert]

For those who are interested in Christian and Biblical counseling vs counseling based on science, Warren Throckmorton recently wrote a series of articles on his blog at Patheos Evangelical Channel "A College Psychology Professor’s Observations About Public Policy, Mental Health, Sexual Identity, and Religious Issues."

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September 21, 2017
Christian Psychology v. Biblical Counseling: A. J. McConnell Reacts to Allchin and Throckmorton
September 20, 2017
Why We Need Science in Counseling: Another Look at a Case of School Refusal
September 19, 2017
Christian Psychology v. Biblical Counseling: A Christian Psychologist Responds to a Case of School Refusal
September 18, 2017
Biblical Counseling v. Christian Psychology: A Biblical Counselor Responds to a Case of School Refusal
September 13, 2017
How Would a Biblical Counselor Handle This Case?
September 11, 2017
Biblical Counseling v. Christian Psychology at SBTS (UPDATED with Apology from Heath Lambert)

 

[Spyridon]

Sexology is the same as any other biological science.

Why would studying sex be wrong for a Catholic?

Did not God create humans? Is sex not integral to human life? Why would studying and deepening your understanding of Gods Creation be wrong?

 

[Spyridon]

You’re setting up a false dichotomy.

There is no contradiction between science and Christianity. True Christianity and True Science compliment each other, they never contradict.

Either your understanding of Christianity is flawed or your understanding of Science is flawed if you see an opposition between the two.

 

[frobert]

You’re setting up a false dichotomy.

There is no contradiction between science and Christianity. True Christianity and True Science compliment each other, they never contradict.

Either your understanding of Christianity is flawed or your understanding of Science is flawed if you see an opposition between the two.

Did you read the articles I posted? If not then I suggest you read them and share your views so we can have an intelligent discussion instead of a visceral reactions.

 

[Spyridon]

I glanced at it.

It’s fundamentalist Protestant drivel. It’s not Catholic teaching. It doesn’t deserve being discussed because it contradicts what the Church teaches - that Science and Religion are complementary to each other, not contradictory.

 

[frobert]

I glanced at it.

It’s fundamentalist Protestant drivel. It’s not Catholic teaching. It doesn’t deserve being discussed because it contradicts what the Church teaches - that Science and Religion are complementary to each other, not contradictory.

You glanced at them and discarded them as Protestant drivel, that is a visceral reaction. “Protestant drivel” is not a valid criticism, its an insult.

 

[Spyridon]

I have no problem hurling insults at things which make Christians look like morons to the rest of the world.

Christians who oppose science are harmful to Christianity and should be intensely opposed through means of criticism, but also through polemics which delegitimize them, and insults are part of that.

Do you have any idea how many souls have been hardened in their atheism because of buffoons like Ken Ham and Kent Hovind and their ilk?

 

[frobert]

I have no problem hurling insults at things which make Christians look like morons to the rest of the world.

Christians who oppose science are harmful to Christianity and should be intensely opposed through means of criticism, but also through polemics which delegitimize them, and insults are part of that.

Do you have any idea how many souls have been hardened in their atheism because of buffoons like Ken Ham and Kent Hovind and their ilk?

Protestants are Christians. There are both good Christian therapists and not so good. There are both good atheist therapists and not so good atheists.

The topic is on sexology let’s keep it there and examine what makes a good therapist good.

 

[BroIgnatius]

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[BroIgnatius]

Sexology is the same as any other biological science.

Why would studying sex be wrong for a Catholic?

Did not God create humans? Is sex not integral to human life? Why would studying and deepening your understanding of Gods Creation be wrong?

Sexology is the study of sex. I have already posted, more than once, why this field is contrary to Christian morality and worldview.

 

[BroIgnatius]

Christians who oppose science are harmful to Christianity and should be intensely opposed through means of criticism, but also through polemics which delegitimize them, and insults are part of that.

There is nothing anti-science about using biblical principles in counseling. This line of thinking needs to cease as that is not what I am talking about.

 

[MichaelP3]

Maybe I am new to this thread but what worldview are you referring to?

And I would argue it could be contrary to Catholic morality according to some Catholics. ( And obviously also according to many other people for whatever reason)

 

[BroIgnatius]

Maybe I am new to this thread but what worldview are you referring to?

And I would argue it could be contrary to Catholic morality according to some Catholics. ( And obviously also according to many other people for whatever reason)

The worldview of the Catholic Church; the Christian worldview.

I will give you some examples. Sexologist will show hard-core pornography to a patient as part of the “therapy”. Sexual surrogates are used. These are woman (or men) who volunteer to have sex with the patient. Such methods are sin in the Christian worldview.

 

[MichaelP3]

Well okay true! If that is the case then I agree.

Guess Im no expert but what is a person who would just use normal psychological and anatomical explanations or “therapy” in such a way to help a couple?

 

[Spyridon]

I think it’s wrong to lump an entire scientific field together as if it exists as a monolithic structure.

Not all sexology has to necessarily be against Christian morality.

 

[BroIgnatius]

I think it’s wrong to lump an entire scientific field together as if it exists as a monolithic structure.

Not all sexology has to necessarily be against Christian morality.

It is the nature of sexologist to do the things I mentioned. My point is that regular psychologists and psychiatrist can provide therapy and medical treatment. A sexologist is not needed.

But, even within mainstream psychology there are problems for the Christian. I mentioned this before with Patrick Carnes (who is a psychologist, not a sexologist) who criticizes the Catholic Church because we consider masturbation a sin. He thinks masturbation is healthy and even that a teen cannot grow into a health adult unless he masturbates.

 

[Spyridon]

Again, that is not intrinsic to psychology. That is the view of some psychologists. Other psychologists disagree.

Just because, say, 75% of psychologists think masturbation is perfectly okay, does that mean a Christian in good faith cannot become a psychologist? I would give that question an emphatic no.

And if we never have psychologists or sexologists who are faithful Christians, how can we ever hope to influence those studies to become aligned better with Catholic teaching? It’s much harder to influence scientific studies from the outside as non professionals.

 

[BroIgnatius]

Again, that is not intrinsic to psychology. That is the view of some psychologists. Other psychologists disagree.

Just because, say, 75% of psychologists think masturbation is perfectly okay, does that mean a Christian in good faith cannot become a psychologist? I would give that question an emphatic no.

And if we never have psychologists or sexologists who are faithful Christians, how can we ever hope to influence those studies to become aligned better with Catholic teaching? It’s much harder to influence scientific studies from the outside as non professionals.

No one said that a Christian cannot be a psychologist. I listed some of the top Christian Ph.D. psychologists and a psychiatrist in the country in a previous post.

But, if a Christian does not go to a Christian psychologist, then they will be exposed to possible sinful methods.

These sinful methods are not just with the sexologists, regular psychology schools teach these things are well. I can attest to that personally, like one class I had also use hard-core pornography and promoted masturbation.

The secular world thinks masturbation is okay, and so do many Protestants. It is only the Catholic Church that has an absolute ban on it.

Christians, however, really cannot be sexologist as that field inherently includes sinful practices.

 

[Spyridon]

But thats just your opinion.

Is there any official Church teaching on this? As far as I know the Church has not said her children cannot become sexologists - which to me would be tacit approval that they can, in fact, become sexologists.

 

[BroIgnatius]

But thats just your opinion.

Is there any official Church teaching on this? As far as I know the Church has not said her children cannot become sexologists - which to me would be tacit approval that they can, in fact, become sexologists. That is not my opinion, that is a fact. I was trained by sexologists, I know what they do. I also was in psychology school, I know what they do. I have been in the mental health field in one capacity or another for 45 years. I am giving you the facts.

Why are people married to the idea of a sexologist. Just be a regular psychologist or psychiatrist who specializes in sexual problems.

LOL, what you not understand? Sexologists use methods that are sinful: sex surrogates, teaching people to masturbate, being coached by the sexologist while a couple is having sex, and much more. This is what sexologist do. Christians cannot do that.