Please, don’t be offended, because I think that you are forgetting about our Baptism? You, me, and Benny Hinn are Baptized the same, so he could be sitting next to you in church one day.
Here is the Catholic Liturgical Link for that quote:
Kuhlman was not a nobody, just because you have never heard of her. She was very famous in her day.
He won’t be sitting in any church I belong to.
Ha, ha ha- no opinion needed. This joker Hinn is not a Catholic at all. Just read his website. His “beliefs” are not Catholic, he operates his own ministry, just like Jack Van Impe or Peter Popoff…I mentioned that Benny Hinn will be in the San Jose JP Pavilion during the 27 & 28 of this month [edited by Moderator].
I’m here to get answers about Traditional Catholicism, not to be moved to another section. According to the article in the link below, Benny Hinn is a traditional Catholic, and the article slams him along with his Catholic Mass. By the way, don’t read it if you are easily offended by criticizing of the Catholic faith.
deceptioninthechurch.com/hinncatholic.html
Your opinions will be appreciated. Is he, or is he not a Traditional Catholic with medieval mystic beliefs? That is a big issue!
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Might I respectfully ask what you were hoping to “pick up?” I don’t know any Catholic Charismatics, but I grew up in South exposed to Pentecostalism, the Holiness Church, Assembly of God type of worship (from TV, we were Baptists). Latter, as an Episcopalian, I knew Episcopalian charismatics and went to a couple of their services (at Church of the Resurrection in Dallas, a leading Charismatic church). So while I’ve never been one, I’ve been around it and the thing is this: When you ask about our mystics and possible connections with someone like Benny Hinn or Kathryn Kuhlman, one huge, vast gulf is that our mystics didn’t seek phenomena. They didn’t seek to speak in tongues, or levitate, or bi-locate. They didn’t seek out the Stigmata. They sought God and they sought Him absolutely on His terms. The phenomena were singular gifts, by-products of humble obedience, not the ends in and of themselves. I think that’s why Catholics have an uneasy relationship with the Charismatic movement (despite papal approbation by the Servants of God Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul II). It’s rough being holy, becoming a saint. Usually by the end of it, the person is a husk (filled with light, but a husk nonetheless). The charismatic movement seems to run a detour around the really tough stuff (such as what we’re learning Blessed Teresa of Calcutta endured) and goes right for the ecstasy. We’re uneasy about that.
Excellent post!
Thanks for the good write-up. When I started this thread I should have defined Mystic as a noun so that we would all be on the same page. Webster’s says a Mystic is “A person who seeks direct knowledge of God through contemplation and prayer.” and “contemplation is a form of devotion.”
I’m not sure what you mean by baptism is out the window. Perhaps you could explain. I guess, however, the Catholic Church would say that Benny Hinn (was he Catholic or Orthodox?), if he was baptized Catholic, has lapsed into heresy and is seperated from the Church by that heresy (the Church distinguishes between material and formal heretics). Hitler and Mussolini were baptized Catholics (I’m not comparing Hinn to them, certainly, but the point remains the same: we can walk away from our baptismal vows anytime).
Well, back when I was a practicing Catholic we didn’t have computer information to establish our superiority, so people were simply Baptized. I liked it better that way. If the parish was armed with computers, I would have bailed out sooner.
I don’t think it’s a matter of superiority. I certainly do not think I’m superior to non-Catholics in any way at all, because I believe that all we have, everything, Christ, His Church, the Sacraments, the Magisterium, the priesthood, everything, is a gift of grace. So I don’t have anything at all about which I can boast or about which I can feel superior. I don’t like triumphalism and I don’t think it’s becoming in Catholics, who should be like Jesus, meek and humble of heart. Nonetheless, when confronted with things like the “Word of Faith” theology (and I’m not picking on that, I could easily have picked another school of thought, like “Once Saved, Always Saved”), the Church, in the interests of both truth AND charity, has to be faitful to the teachings which she has received and must articulate those teachings, as she has in *Domine Jesus *and in the Holy See’s recent clarification on the issue of subsistance.
I pray for the day that Hinn will be converted. However, Hinn was never baptized into the Catholic Faith; he was baptized into the Greek Orthodox faith.
I consider Jack Van Impe to be more Catholic than Hinn. At least Impe claims to recognize the truth of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Kuhlman was born when my father was born, and her career was in decline when I was a teenager.
Someone should write a novel and make the above sentence the title!
Yes, I still watch Jack Van Impe on Sunday nights, and he is as good as ever. He had a few health problem, but he is back on board. That guy, along with other intellectuals like Harold Camping of Family Radio, concatenate Bible verse to come up with something entirely different than the Magisterium of the Catholic Church, so I always refer back to the church.
Okay, thanks for informing me that Benny Hinn is Orthodox. Other than a few technicalities isn’t that about the same as Catholic?
I don’t know what having computers has anything to do with the Church’s position in the world. We don’t use computers to establish our ‘superiority’.
On the same page? He’s not even in the same library! Read up on the Saints mentioned here and see for yourself.
Well, Benny Hinn is a Charismatic with a Worldwide ministry, plus he is a former Orthodox who had mystical experiences during communion at a mass in Texas. That’s why I’m am wondering whether (CCC 741) applies to his situation?
When thinking about whether Benny Hinn can receive intercession through the medieval saints I have to read both verses. (Romans 8:26,27)
There is more written on this thread than I have time to answer, so I went back over it and picked out the stuff that I thought you missed the mark. Seeing how many Catholics are present at those crusades I think it‘s best to simply post what goes on there.
